Calling Baras' plans ruined by calling him ruined it pretty awkward. Given that he ends up powerless and broken it far better fit is that its calling him ruined since he pretty literally was.
Not that it matters, the fact that the Wrath left him powerless and humbled says enough by itself.
Originally posted by Beniboybling
So largely opinions, hyperbole and facts relative to one's contemporaries.The only concrete showing I'm seeing here is the Wrath defeating the Emperor's Voice possessed by Sel-Makor. But then we can only guess at how powerful such a being would be, and how much of an effect the Emperor's resistance would have had on his strength.
What? Why would that mean he dropped his defenses? And he was distracted as I recall. Hardly sets a precedent for Vader having poor Force defenses.
That sounds an awful lot like an attempt to just dodge the evidence. Like you've never hyped characters based on those things. You have no arguments against their abilities, they stand.
Sel-Makor was capable of unleashing planet-wide mind-****ery, a force ghost said that he would be a threat to the universe if he escaped Voss, he could form beings out of pure darkside energy and he did have access to the Emperor's power regardless of his resistance. He's powerful as shit.
Why would he drop his defenses when Kanan and Ezra TK'd him? If he did it then in a very similar position then its not implausible that Ahsoka hitting him when he's off-balance would be effective despite being much weaker than him.
Baras being nigh-indestructible is certainly referring to his power, not his position. The Wrath is able to walk right up to him and tell him to put his dukes up, the man isn't nigh-untouchable by any respect but his own abilities. I mean, the fact that the Council thought him so powerful that he might actually be the Voice is enough by itself to rate him high as balls.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Calling Baras' plans ruined by calling him ruined it pretty awkward.
I don't see why, honestly. I'd actually say it's the other way around.
Not that it matters, the fact that the Wrath left him powerless and humbled says enough by itself.
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I mean, the fact that the Council thought him so powerful that he might actually be the Voice is enough by itself to rate him high as balls.
I was under the impression that he was unchallenged because no one on the Council dared risk invoking the Emperor's wrath, not because he had demonstrated himself to be as powerful as Vitiate.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Well yeah, but the reason they didn't dare was because he was powerful enough that they fought he might actually be the Voice so pissing off Vitiate was an actual possibility.
I see no reason to assume this. The dialogue seems to indicate that the reason they didn't dare was because the idea of pissing off the Emperor made them piss themselves, so they didn't challenge him. That's Baras' set up (getting rid of the actual VotE) at work. After all, when the PC enters the DCC, Marr is just as convinced that he could be the Emperor's Wrath as he is that Baras could be the Voice, despite barely knowing who he is.
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
I'd gamble the life of my family, immediate friends, all personal possessions, and every second-born male in India that it's true. 😬
Anyway, Nox is overrated as **** anyway. People who keep claiming they could just dominate Thanaton obviously didn't actually play the game, or are just retarded. Probably a little of both.
Originally posted by NewGuy01
I see no reason to assume this. The dialogue seems to indicate that the reason they didn't dare was because the idea of pissing off the Emperor made them piss themselves, so they didn't challenge him. That's Baras' set up (getting rid of the actual VotE) at work. After all, when the PC enters the DCC, Marr is just as convinced that he could be the Emperor's Wrath as he is that Baras could be the Voice, despite barely knowing who he is.
And imo the idea that they might piss off the Emperor was plausible since Baras was strong enough to make it plausible.
And Marr may well have known Baras is selling them bs since he's old enough to have possibly met the Voice before.
Originally posted by FreshestSlice
AyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyAnyway, Nox is overrated as **** anyway. People who keep claiming they could just dominate Thanaton obviously didn't actually play the game, or are just retarded. Probably a little of both.
Literally everyone except you thinks that. Buddy, maybe instead of it being them, it just might be you instead.
Originally posted by FreshestSlice
AyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyAnyway, Nox is overrated as **** anyway. People who keep claiming they could just dominate Thanaton obviously didn't actually play the game, or are just retarded. Probably a little of both.
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She only dominated him when he was already beaten. Might as well ragdoll a corpse.
Originally posted by NephthysYeah cause people never say "I'm ruined" or "you ruined me" or shit like that lol. 😬
Calling Baras' plans ruined by calling him ruined it pretty awkward. Given that he ends up powerless and broken it far better fit is that its calling him ruined since he pretty literally was.Not that it matters, the fact that the Wrath left him powerless and humbled says enough by itself.
Anyway what I'm contesting is that the Wrath "ruined" him in the sense that he was destroyed i.e. it was a stomp. Whereas fact that he was defeated is as clear as day and hardly needs to be highlighted.
That sounds an awful lot like an attempt to just dodge the evidence. Like you've never hyped characters based on those things. You have no arguments against their abilities, they stand.No you've just forgotten the original point, lol.
Sel-Makor was capable of unleashing planet-wide mind-****ery, a force ghost said that he would be a threat to the universe if he escaped Voss, he could form beings out of pure darkside energy and he did have access to the Emperor's power regardless of his resistance. He's powerful as shit.Which doesn't necessarily translate into combative power when using a host vessel, and one that is resisting his control.
Why would he drop his defenses when Kanan and Ezra TK'd him? If he did it then in a very similar position then its not implausible that Ahsoka hitting him when he's off-balance would be effective despite being much weaker than him.Evidently he was distracted by the explosion, or perhaps simply didn't take his opponents seriously. It's the only logical explanation for Ezra & Kanan being able to Force push him other than "hurr durr he jobs".
And mid-swing =/= off-balance lol.
Baras being nigh-indestructible is certainly referring to his power, not his position. The Wrath is able to walk right up to him and tell him to put his dukes up, the man isn't nigh-untouchable by any respect but his own abilities. I mean, the fact that the Council thought him so powerful that he might actually be the Voice is enough by itself to rate him high as balls.Is this directed at me? Lol.
KEK @ all of you who're saying 'she only dominated him when already beaten'. In case you're plainly ignoring the cut-scene, moments prior to being dominated Thanaton summoned a lightning storm that struck Nox fiercely. Someone who is "beaten" doesn't pull that out as a last resort, it's clearly a pretty powerful attack. At the end, Nox barely broke a sweat against Thanaton, tanked that huge lightning blast and literally put him on his knees. If that's not dominating someone on your eyes, I honestly don't know what is. 😬
At the end, at the beginning he's writhing and spasming in pain, and though pretty quickly he becomes almost entirely obscured, you can still make out that he ends up getting levitated off the ground before going limp.
The fact that he was ultimately able to "shrug it off" when the storm subsided hardly proves he wasn't under significant duress at its peak.