Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Rebel, don't forget Quan is a strictly Canon debater.While from a Legends perspective ROTJ > ROTS clearly makes sense, in Canon it's certainly more vague.
Except, it's not. In fact, if anything, it's the other way around. There is a far greater case in Legends for Anakin > Vader then their is in canon. Disney has a hard on for Vader and the shit he has pulled of in both the comics and Lords of the Sith are way beyond anything Anakin has done. It's not even close.
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Anakin is better in both Canon and Legends by miles.
Unfortunately not, as anyone with the canon material would know.
As mentioned before, it's been stated that Vader's prime is when he is in his mech suit. And his feats are simply on a different level. A case could be made that Anakin is the better duelist (as per this thread) but as a combatant as a whole, certainly not.
Originally posted by ares834We get it Vader's experience and force knowledge/power make up for the lack of maneuverability he lost when doomed to the suit as a total combatant. He still has a huge maneuverability issue Pre suit Vader didn't have.
Unfortunately not, as anyone with the canon material would know.As mentioned before, it's been stated that Vader's prime is when he is in his mech suit. And his feats are simply on a different level. A case could be made that Anakin is the better duelist (as per this thread) but as a combatant as a whole, certainly not.
Vader was more technically masterful, physically he was stronger and more durable, his mastery and knowledge of the Force was also much greater. None of which makes up for the fact that Anakin was an absolutely unstoppable Force of nature by Revenge of the Sith. The way he channelled his raw power and the mindset he entered to 'will' his opponents into defeat placed him up there with Yoda and Sidious. Operation Knightfall Vader was even deadlier, he slaughtered Cin Drallig and cut a swathe through Jedi with utter ease.
It was as of Mustafar that Vader lost it, his mindset was continuously one of doubt about everything he had done, his hatred for Obi-Wan and guilt over Padme clouded his concentration. Physically he'd been starving for days, hadn't taken any liquids or sleep over that same amount of time.
Obi-Wan Kenobi took advantage of his intimate knowledge of Vader's fighting style and state of mind, goading him into ever greater heights of rage but also vulnerability. The end of the fight was inevitable, Obi-Wan wasn't better, he was just smarter.
Originally posted by AncientPower
Anakin was an absolutely unstoppable Force of nature by Revenge of the Sith. The way he channelled his raw power and the mindset he entered to 'will' his opponents into defeat placed him up there with Yoda and Sidious. Operation Knightfall Vader was even deadlier, he slaughtered Cin Drallig and cut a swathe through Jedi with utter ease.
Anakin's raw power is greater but Vader's mastery over the force makes up for it. When has Anakin matched Vader's force feats?
Edit: Nice edit there....
Originally posted by ares834
WTF? So Anakin's "knowledge of the force" was also superior?At this point, I'm almost convinced you're trolling.
No Vader's knowledge was much greater, obviously. Anakin's mindset as the Chosen One is a far greater trait than any Force mastery. Dooku's knowledge and mastery was superior as well, but it meant nothing.