Comparisons between Maul and Vader in season two finale

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Lol he's already declared his clear inferiority to Vader and been soundly beaten by a Blind Kanan. If that doesn't stop his trolling then nothing will.

He must have been Trolling Filoni about Maul being > Vader, Dooku and Kenobi, which is why Filoni is hating on Maul now.

Maul lied to manipulate. Trying to eliminate both shows he doesn't need either of these two to best Vader. Maul lies. Get over it. You rely on deceptive statements used to manipulate a group of jedi and part timers.

Maul avoiding the empire and stealing Vader's ship isn't hating on Maul. Vader getting injured and hobbling away after not injuring anyone is pitiful.

Maul blinded Kanan. Vader grazed a shoulder. What's worse ?

😂

It is true, yes it is, that Maul's statement doesn't have to be taken at absolute face value and heralded as some undeniable fact. But even if we are sticking by it with one-hundred percent certainty, the statement is that Maul can not defeat Vader without help. That by itself doesn't preclude the idea of a stalemate or some prolonged death-match with a bloodied an bruised winner emerging from the fray. Vader vs Maul is hardly set in stone just yet, and until it's displayed on screen, it will always be a debate.

Originally posted by Ziggystardust
It is true, yes it is, that Maul's statement doesn't have to be taken at absolute face value and heralded as some undeniable fact. But even if we are sticking by it with one-hundred percent certainty, the statement is that Maul can not defeat Vader without help. That by itself doesn't preclude the idea of a stalemate or some prolonged death-match with a bloodied an bruised winner emerging from the fray. Vader vs Maul is hardly set in stone just yet, and until it's displayed on screen, it will always be a debate.

It isn't exactly hard.

Originally posted by Ziggystardust
It isn't exactly hard.

Kurk goin' all high and mighty on us.

Originally posted by Trocity
Kurk goin' all high and mighty on us.

I think Maul defeating Vader could be very... inspirational to say the least.

It would mean many people here having to re-shape their views of authorial intent, and why the only things that matter appear on screen, or in the text. In the end, it's source material that is important, and not Pablo Hidalgo's opinion.

Originally posted by Kurk
Keep cracking your jokes but ultimately it's going to be Quanchi and me who get the last laugh in the end when Maul pwns Vader in season 3.

And by that of course you mean when Maul force pushes Vader then runs.. Which of course will be enough for Quanchi to say for life "I told you.. What did I tell you.." Muhammad Ali style.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
And by that of course you mean when Maul force pushes Vader then runs.. Which of course will be enough for Quanchi to say for life "I told you.. What did I tell you.." Muhammad Ali style.

Originally posted by Ziggystardust
It is true, yes it is, that Maul's statement doesn't have to be taken at absolute face value and heralded as some undeniable fact. But even if we are sticking by it with one-hundred percent certainty, the statement is that Maul can not defeat Vader without help. That by itself doesn't preclude the idea of a stalemate or some prolonged death-match with a bloodied an bruised winner emerging from the fray. Vader vs Maul is hardly set in stone just yet, and until it's displayed on screen, it will always be a debate.

We don't HAVE TO take Maul's statement at face value, but it would be pretty uncharacteristic for Maul to admit that if he had a shot. I don't ever remember him saying any such thing about Obi-Wan Kenobi or Count Dooku.

Then there's the fact that the people he was trying to convince bought that part of his argument at least. No one was like "I don't buy his reasoning. He wouldn't be afraid to challenge Vader."

Now bear in mind he didn't try to manipulate them by saying "I can not defeat the Sith alone" or "I can not defeat the Empire alone," but specifically "I can not defeat Vader alone", which they all completely bought. And when asked about that line Sam Witwer and FPJ talked about how Protective Filoni is of Vader.

As for Filoni, he confirmed that the initial plan was for Maul to die to Vader in that episode, but they ultimately decided they wanted Maul around a little longer.

Then there's their respective fights on the show. Where Maul was stalemating Ahsoka, Vader was soundly defeating Ahsoka. Where Vader handles Kanan easily one handed and has him and Ezra running for their lives, Kanan, while blind defeats Maul 1 v 1.

Now yes he was obviously stretching through the Force to protect Ezra. Probably stretching beyond his means given how he falls right after defeating Maul. But the show's made it pretty clear there's no way Kanan could even challenge Vader, let alone defeat him.

So bearing all that in mind, I think we can safely take Maul's word for it that he can't defeat Vader alone.

As for a near stalemate, or a prolonged death match, that would be my preference, but going by the above evidence, I think it would be more of a Vader vs Ahsoka type fight.

Originally posted by Darth Thor

Then there's their respective fights on the show. Where Maul was stalemating Ahsoka, Vader was soundly defeating Ahsoka. Where Vader handles Kanan easily one handed and has him and Ezra running for their lives, Kanan, while blind defeats Maul 1 v 1.

Maul was beating Ahsoka, that's why she backed off. You could see the strain in her face.

Ahsoka was putting up a challenge for Vader. Some of his so-called reputation would have ended her in less than minute. Vader was too slow to keep up with her effectively. Look at what she did to his face. Vader had to rely on TK since he couldn't take her with sabers. Maul's fate to Kanan only happened because of plot armor and because the story called for it. Filoni can't think beyond that.

Originally posted by Kurk
You seem to have more intellect than these mouth-breathers at the very least.

Ziggy can enter the First Order that we will create. It's a brave new world.

Originally posted by Ziggystardust
I think Maul defeating Vader could be very... inspirational to say the least.

It would mean many people here having to re-shape their views of authorial intent, and why the only things that matter appear on screen, or in the text. In the end, it's source material that is important, and not Pablo Hidalgo's opinion.

Originally posted by Ziggystardust
I think Maul defeating Vader could be very... inspirational to say the least.

It would mean many people here having to re-shape their views of authorial intent, and why the only things that matter appear on screen, or in the text. In the end, it's source material that is important, and not Pablo Hidalgo's opinion.

Indeed, it would do well to shake things up if that happened. The problem is, it won't happen; because the authorial intent is what drives what happens on-screen. And the message I'm getting from Filoni thusfar seems to be that Vader is a different class of villain than Maul in Rebels, much like Dooku was a different class of villain than Ventress in TCW.

Originally posted by NewGuy01
Indeed, it would do well to shake things up if that happened. The problem is, it won't happen; because the authorial intent is what drives what happens on-screen. And the message I'm getting from Filoni thusfar seems to be that Vader is a different class of villain than Maul in Rebels, much like Dooku was a different class of villain than Ventress in TCW.

I like Maul a lot, more than I like Vader or the vast majority of other SW characters. I've always been disgusted by the treatment he has received ever since Lucas first killed him in TPM, one of the biggest mistakes of the PT. I remember the sheer hype he had before TPM, and his appearance on screen was so visceral and primal.

Other than his moronic death, Maul was one of the highlights of the PT and I've always felt he was the biggest waste of character in any popular film franchise.

So while you could make the case Maul could possibly take Vader or that his statement about Vader should not be necessarily taken at face value(I've made both cases myself in a different thread), Filoni's intent - and let's face it, Lucas' intent also - is that Vader>Maul.

They have their heads up their asses and I don't like it, but it's the truth.

They have their heads up their asses because they don't have Maul > Vader?

I will expect my pm box to fill up when the context proves me to be correct. Vader fans you still have time to change your minds and swear fealty to Maul, the shadow.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I will expect my pm box to fill up when the context proves me to be correct. Vader fans you still have time to change your minds and swear fealty to Maul, the shadow.

I see such great potential in Kurk. I think the rest of the forum fears the new changes in you.