Anyway, just to bring up some things I noticed...
Originally posted by NewGuy01
This. Team 1 consists of superior swordsmen who possess greater synergy in team combat than their opponents; on top of that, they also have the most powerful fighter on the field.
Anakin isn't more powerful than Exar Kun. As a Force User Kun clearly outstrips Skywalker and Anakin isn't greater than him as a swordsman. Kun can easily match up with him in terms of strength, he's every bit as skilled and his weapon gives him a nice advantage.
Originally posted by NewGuy01
However, the nature Sith Sorcery makes this difficult to call. While I don't think Exar Kun could overwhelm Anakin conventionally with the Force,
Not even with amulet blasts?
Originally posted by NewGuy01
the capabilities of Sith Sorcery are vague and unclear; it could hypothetically either be barely relevant or completely game changing, and I don't think we know enough about it to say for sure which is more likely. It certainly made short work of Luke, but that could stake on the fact that he was facing the cooperative efforts of two opponents, or it could be a result of the gaps in his training, it's difficult to say if Anakin would end up in the same boat or not.
Well....
A) There are two people on Kun's team, so working with Ulic who's a more advanced Force user than Kyp was and possesses a powerful amulet, he could probably pull off the same move against Kenobi and Skywalker.
B) I doubt Anakin is a more advanced force user than DE Luke or knows more counters to Sith sorcery, which he's never displayed, personally.
I don't really have the drive at the moment to rehash the deal regarding Anakin's ability with you, but I will make some notes on your notes.
A) There are two people on Kun's team, so working with Ulic who's a more advanced Force user than Kyp was and possesses a powerful amulet, he could probably pull off the same move against Kenobi and Skywalker.
Maybe, given that the duo is given an opportunity to do so. The only issue is that, in life, we've never seen these two fight in this way. Because of that, we don't know what they're capable of. Even if we did know, the question "would they rely on powers here that they historically haven't?" would still remain.
B) I doubt Anakin is a more advanced force user than DE Luke or knows more counters to Sith sorcery, which he's never displayed, personally.
I beg to differ. Sure, through his innate talent, Luke managed to go a long way with minimal training. However, that doesn't change the fact that he had minimal training; this wouldn't be the first time that pre-NJO Luke has fallen short of what other fighters of his caliber would be able to do because of the gaps in his knowledge. This isn't a secret, either. JA Luke repeatedly confesses that Obi-Wan and Yoda were the masters, and that he was struggling to live up to them.
Anakin and Kenobi, on the other hand, were trained rather rigorously for over a decade as the star pupils of the Jedi Order. A Jedi Order that, per the RotS novel, was in part still training to fight the previous wars against the Sith. It would surprise me if they didn't have some form of defense against the dark arts class, but alas we never see them go up against a Sith sorcerer in either of their careers, so it's obviously impossible to say how they'd handle that kind of situation. At the very least, I expect they should logically be better prepared than Luke was.
And, as I said, we don't really know what that situation is either; the applications and limits of ancient Sith magic are mostly a mystery to us. Hence why Exar Kun and the other ancient Sith are difficult combatants to deal with, IMO.
Given that Obi wan and Anakin are barely able to resist force chokes and neither have defended against lightning I imagine their defence against the dark arts won't be holding them in good stead against sith lore, they almost certainly won't be familiar with.
And btw, kun still one shots, he'd do so in the flesh and he'd do so as a powerless spirit.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Like I said in the other thread, in literally no duel do they synergise well with each other. I mean, seriously, Rots? The fight where they only win after Obi-Wan gets taken out? Dooku easily handles them when they try fighting together and is easily able to separate them and then floor Anakin and own Obi-Wan the second he re-engages.
Not sure any of this will be an issue here though where it will probably be more like 2 1v1's than a 2on1 or 2on2 thing, if you get my meaning.
Nevermind sorcery, what's stopping Kun from just closing their windpipes?
The Legendary Defence against the Dark Arts of the PT era Jedi
Originally posted by NewGuy01
Red herring.
I don't even think you know what that term means, given that it's almost certainly relevant to what we're talking about. A red herring is a longstanding presumption of the tradition of logic, that several major informal fallacies essentially involve failure of topical appropriateness or relevance. You want Anakin and Obi-wan to be the champions of the dark arts You're going to have to give me a little more than :
But we don't know what would happen!?!?
- NewGuy01
Given that they can't even deflect the most rudimentary dark-side attacks (or Force attacks in general), then the logical thought that comes after that premise, is that they won't be doing so to ancient sith Sorcery. It doesn't matter wither way, because Kun can just choke them out:
"Even joined together, you are too weak to fight me!" the shadowy man said.
Streen felt his throat constrict, his windpipe close. He choked, unable to breathe. The black silhouette turned, staring at those who resisted him. The Jedi trainees grasped their throats, straining to breathe, their faces darkening with the effort. Kun's shadow expanded, growing darker and more powerful.
- Jedi Academy
Also, Kenobi has defended against lightning on-screen. Have you even watched Star Wars? [/B]
Red Herring.
I very much doubt that Anakin or Kenobi have defenses against Sith sorcery when even Bane with all his knowledge of the dark side came up empty. On the other hand I'm seeing no evidence to suggest either Kun or Ulic are proficient in using sorcery in-combat.
On the other hand the idea that Kun would be strong enough to Force choke them to death when he couldn't even dominate Ulic is somewhat ludicrous. Evidently it is those Jedi trainees who are inept when it comes to defending against telekinesis.
Originally posted by Ziggystardust
Given that they can't even deflect the most rudimentary dark-side attacks (or Force attacks in general), then the logical thought that comes after that premise, is that they won't be doing so to ancient sith Sorcery.
That would a completely logical argument if Kenobi and Anakin actually didn't know how to defend against telekinetic attacks, but that's not the case.
Red Herring
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>Near masters of Luke's teachings, including defensive applications.
>Inept at defending themselves, despite being melded and prepared in an ambush.
Top notch idiocy from Beni, more at 11.
I mean it is either that or the fact that he didn't even attempt to attack Ulic with the Force, nor was Exar Kun even near his prime at this point.
But please continue suggesting Kun can't use tendrils, blasts and drain in combat despite him using them all in combat.
Originally posted by Beniboybling
On the other hand the idea that Kun would be strong enough to Force choke them to death when he couldn't even dominate Ulic is somewhat ludicrous. Evidently it is those Jedi trainees who are inept when it comes to defending against telekinesis.
Uh, why is that ludicrous? Ulic was incredibly powerful in his own right and had an amulet that countered Kun's own. Ulic powered through Ommin's attack and Ommin is way above Kenobi at least with the Force. Ulic was the most powerful Jedi alive apart from Kun, above Nomi who freaking wrecked a mega-amped Aleema.
Also, that was Kun pre-prime. It's like me saying that since Anakin couldn't block Ventress or Barriss' TK, obviously Kun can pwn him. I doubt you'd agree.
This coming from the man who molds himself as the authority of the swtor forums. But if pretense is all you can muster in this veiled attempt at saving face, despite that being lost eons ago, my you really have fallen far.
If 'worked' is your idea of losing an argument to one rebuttal, then it worked splendidly.