Originally posted by AncientPowerPlease AP I made this thread for sensible discussion, don't bring your personal butthurt into it. ❌
This coming from the man who molds himself as the authority of the swtor forums. But if pretense is all you can muster in this veiled attempt at saving face, despite that being lost eons ago, my you really have fallen far.If 'worked' is your idea of losing an argument to one rebuttal, then it worked splendidly.
Originally posted by NephthysEvidence it protected him from Kun's amulet? Not that that is Kun's only power.
Uh, why is that ludicrous? Ulic was incredibly powerful in his own right and had an amulet that countered Kun's own. Ulic powered through Ommin's attack and Ommin is way above Kenobi at least with the Force. Ulic was the most powerful Jedi alive apart from Kun, above Nomi who freaking wrecked a mega-amped Aleema.
Regardless Anakin just happens to be incredibly powerful as well, frankly more powerful than Ulic, and Kenobi is of prodigious strength in his own right, so yes, the idea that Kun could choke them both out because he almost did to Luke's trainees is ludicrous.
As for King Ommin >>> Kenobi, I find that highly doubtful.
Also, that was Kun pre-prime. It's like me saying that since Anakin couldn't block Ventress or Barriss' TK, obviously Kun can pwn him. I doubt you'd agree.No it's not his prime, but unlike Anakin he didn't undergo a "vast" increment in power after that event, he acquired the Dark Holocron which made him "even stronger" but that's about it, most of Kun's mastery over the dark side was achieved before this duel - he's relatively close to his peak.
Originally posted by Beniboybling
Evidence it protected him from Kun's amulet? Not that that is Kun's only power.Regardless Anakin just happens to be incredibly powerful as well, frankly more powerful than Ulic, and Kenobi is of prodigious strength in his own right, so yes, the idea that Kun could choke them both out because he almost did to Luke's trainees is ludicrous.
As for King Ommin >>> Kenobi, I find that highly doubtful.No it's not his prime, but unlike Anakin he didn't undergo a "vast" increment in power after that event, he acquired the Dark Holocron which made him "even stronger" but that's about it, most of Kun's mastery over the dark side was achieved before this duel - he's relatively close to his peak.
Trainees who in a less powerful state could cause hurricane strength winds that turned multiple TIE fighters into molten slag, have crushed AT-STs, thrown large boulders at mid-flight TIE Fighters and more. But nah, we'll conveniently ignore that. 👆
He's described as achieving 'extreme' and 'enormous' powers in the years following the duel, Beni. Educate yourself before you speak. Oh and that holocron happens to be the most powerful Sith holocron in the mythos, but nevermind that little fact.
Originally posted by Beniboybling
Evidence it protected him from Kun's amulet? Not that that is Kun's only power.Regardless Anakin just happens to be incredibly powerful as well, frankly more powerful than Ulic, and Kenobi is of prodigious strength in his own right, so yes, the idea that Kun could choke them both out because he almost did to Luke's trainees is ludicrous.
As for King Ommin >>> Kenobi, I find that highly doubtful.
During the duel their amulets began responding to each other and merging their powers. They obviously couldn't use them offensively against each other.
Even if he couldn't choke both of them, he could certainly one-shot Kenobi and probably could choke out Anakin.
Lol, Ommin pwned a squad of Jedi at once. These weren't noob Jedi either, Tott Doneeta could block Basilisk cannon fire and a Heat Storm powerful enough to disintegrate people. Ommin still pooped on him and a bunch of other Jedi at once. He shat on Nomi Sunrider and Arca Jeth. He's obviously far above Kenobi.
Originally posted by Beniboybling
No it's not his prime, but unlike Anakin he didn't undergo a "vast" increment in power after that event, he acquired the Dark Holocron which made him "even stronger" but that's about it, most of Kun's mastery over the dark side was achieved before this duel - he's relatively close to his peak.
I'm pretty sure he had way more growth than that. He spent relatively little time mastering the dark side before he went to face Ulic, after which he had a far greater stretch growing.
Edit: And we see that AP has confirmed that I'm right. So yeah, this wasn't near his peak.
Originally posted by Darth Thor
People making out it's normal for Anakin to get choked or something, when even someone of Count Dooku's level couldn't choke him without the help of multiple magnaguards beating on him and still leaving the Count looking exhausted after 😬
Dooku and Exar Kun can't really be compared imo. Kun is far stronger than him.
Originally posted by AncientPowerHurricane winds that turned TIE's to molten slag? Lol you'll have to cite that one.
Trainees who in a less powerful state could cause hurricane strength winds that turned multiple TIE fighters into molten slag, have crushed AT-STs, thrown large boulders at mid-flight TIE Fighters and more. But nah, we'll conveniently ignore that. 👆He's described as achieving 'extreme' and 'enormous' powers in the years following the duel, Beni. Educate yourself before you speak. Oh and that holocron happens to be the most powerful Sith holocron in the mythos, but nevermind that little fact.
But yeah having potent Force powers doesn't preclude being inept in defending against dark side powers, as they evidently where.
As for him achieving "extreme" "enormous" powers, you've tried to peddle that shit already, however turned out you were making it up. 😂
Originally posted by NephthysYeah that assumption doesn't really follow on. Regardless we are discussing Kun's telekinetic powers here, so its largely irrelevant.
During the duel their amulets began responding to each other and merging their powers. They obviously couldn't use them offensively against each other.
Even if he couldn't choke both of them, he could certainly one-shot Kenobi and probably could choke out Anakin.Who has he one-shotted of Kenobi's caliber, and who has he choked of Anakin's? These are baseless assumptions.
Lol, Ommin pwned a squad of Jedi at once. These weren't noob Jedi either, Tott Doneeta could block Basilisk cannon fire and a Heat Storm powerful enough to disintegrate people. Ommin still pooped on him and a bunch of other Jedi at once. He shat on Nomi Sunrider and Arca Jeth. He's obviously far above Kenobi.Fair, looking at his respect thread he seems quite impressive, though none of those Jedi can be really proven to be in Kenobi's league.
I'm pretty sure he had way more growth than that. He spent relatively little time mastering the dark side before he went to face Ulic, after which he had a far greater stretch growing.AP is chatting shit, I debunked her evidence a long time ago and she evaded my response. Why considering her past history people take her word for anything baffles me tbh. Regardless he actually spent a lot of time on Yavin 4 mastering the dark side, creating alchemic beasts, constructs, temples etc. and upon leaving was said to have "full mastery of the dark side" or some such.Edit: And we see that AP has confirmed that I'm right. So yeah, this wasn't near his peak.
All we have after that is the Dark Holocron.
Dooku and Exar Kun can't really be compared imo. Kun is far stronger than him.The point is that nobody has demonstrated themselves strong enough to TK RotS Anakin, and I'm seeing no evidence to suggest Kun is among them. And for the record, Anakin is far stronger than Dooku as well. 👆
Originally posted by Nephthys
Dooku and Exar Kun can't really be compared imo. Kun is far stronger than him.
I mean unless you think Kun's TK is on Yoda, Sidious, Vader level, then I think Anakin is relatively safe in that department.
He's a handful in Sabers and doesn't really give his opponents much opportunity for Force Chokes.
Originally posted by Beniboybling
Yeah that assumption doesn't really follow on. Regardless we are discussing Kun's telekinetic powers here, so its largely irrelevant.
Ok.
Originally posted by Beniboybling
Who has he one-shotted of Kenobi's caliber, and who has he choked of Anakin's? These are baseless assumptions.
He choked out 9 Jedi at once at once. He's far stronger than Ommin, who b*tchslapped 6 powerful Jedi at once. He casually one-shot Aleema who at her weakest was disintegrating people.
Originally posted by Beniboybling
Fair, looking at his respect thread he seems quite impressive, though none of those Jedi can be really proven to be in Kenobi's league.
Well I did just point out that Tott Doneeta was able to deflect Basilisk War Droid Cannon fire and blocked a Heat Storm powerful enough to disintegrate people. Heat Storms also have a wind speed over twice that of a level 4 hurricane. Even if you don't think that's on Kenobi's level for some reason, there were like 4 other Jedi there.
Originally posted by Beniboybling
AP is chatting shit, I debunked her evidence a long time ago and she evaded my response. Why considering her past history people take her word for anything baffles me tbh. Regardless he actually spent a lot of time on Yavin 4 mastering the dark side, creating alchemic beasts, constructs, temples etc. and upon leaving was said to have "full mastery of the dark side" or some such.All we have after that is the Dark Holocron.
I don't care, you haven't debunked it here. AP has more credibility on this topic than you do and seems to have provided evidence that debunks your claim. From what I know, Kun had years of time left to expand in.
Regardless, even if you want to suggest that Kun didn't defeat Ulic with the Force because he couldn't, that merely suggests how powerful Ulic is. Instead of lowering Kun, you should just raise Ulic. He has the feats and the hype to support his status as an immensely powerful Sith.
Originally posted by Beniboybling
The point is that nobody has demonstrated themselves strong enough to TK RotS Anakin, and I'm seeing no evidence to suggest Kun is among them. And for the record, Anakin is far stronger than Dooku as well. 👆
Uh, what? Nobody? You mean, nobody in this thread, right? I hope you don't mean nobody in general.......
Anakin isn't far stronger than Dooku in terms of force defenses, TK etc. Dooku was able to push him and Obi-Wan back at the same time without much effort. Kun is stronger than Skywalker is and has his amulet hax to draw upon.
Originally posted by NewGuy01
Well, considering that even Luke didn't know how to defend against it until Dark Empire, it's not exactly impossible... mmm
Yeah, Luke the guy who after that taught these guys. Plus thats only when he mentioned it. Choke isn't exactly a complicated ability, force shields should do the trick.
Originally posted by Beniboybling
👆Even Master-level Jedi repeatedly succumb to such a basic application of the Force, and Kun was smothering them with his dark side presence simultaneously. It would frankly be more surprising if Kun's attack had no effect.
Sure, by more powerful beings. It isn't that they didn't know how to block it, they were just overwhelmed. Like the Jedi were by Kun.
Kun was smothering them with his presence at the same time? Damn, that just makes it more impressive.