The One Above all & The Presence

How does Silk Man not being fashioned by God make God himself less omnipotent?

Originally posted by zopzop
You don't get it. Oblivion was created along with the rest of the abstracts by the same being. TOAA. There are beings and entire universes in Vertigo that PREDATE yahweh's creation and were not created by him or his proxies (Lucifer/Michael, Synnar, etc..).

Ergo, he's not supreme since by definition there can be nothing not created by God or his proxies. Silk Man was from a previous OLDER creation NOT created by Yahweh or his proxies. Whoops!

I get it a lot better then most here tbh...

He is supreme, everything holds together because he is there, he IS the Logos. I think you are confused, the Silk Man came from a previous creation, just like Lucifer stated, he is "just stretching the rules a little". Mike Carey explained it in the narration "one and one are not two - if one and one cannot meet".

Not like this matters, in Nirvana. Lucifer killed the immortal sorcerer as if he was nothing, and this is when he was hoping and pleading for God to step in and save him. Whoops! 😂

Originally posted by Galan007
How does Silk Man not being fashioned by God make God himself less omnipotent?

Originally posted by kevdude
Not like this matters, in Nirvana. Lucifer killed the immortal sorcerer as if he was nothing, and this is when he was hoping and pleading for God to step in and save him. Whoops! 😂

It was also stated that Silk Man was "the chosen of Destiny":
http://i.imgur.com/oTn4Ve4.jpg

So whether he was created by God or not, he was still part of 'the plan', and as such had a role to play in God's preordained scheme of things.

^^it doesn't matter if he was created by him or not, that's the point. He is not the supreme being in the universe. He lives in YHWH's creation, that makes whatever he does is known to YHWH, written in Destinys book.

Edit: like galan said.

Originally posted by "Id"
Topic still stands. Is Yahew or the Presence the be all end all of DC?

If so why?

If not, why not and if not him who is?

Originally posted by Galan007
It was also stated that Silk Man was "the chosen of Destiny":
http://i.imgur.com/oTn4Ve4.jpg

So whether he was created by God or not, he was still part of 'the plan', and as such had a role to play in God's preordained scheme of things.

He is the Supreme Being, though. Just because certain realms and characters exist that predate his creation doesn't make him any less supreme.

As I said above: even a being Yahweh did not create(ie. Silk Man) was still part of his plan... As are ALL things.

Originally posted by Galan007
He is the Supreme Being, though. Just because certain realms and characters exist that predate his creation doesn't make him any less supreme.

As I said above: even a being Yahweh did not create(ie. Silk Man) was still part of his plan... As are ALL things.

Kind of seems like you're going out of your way to low-ball Yahweh for some reason, so I see no reason to continue this discussion. srug

^^So the Silk Man stretched the rules of the universe a little, he was from a previous creation. It doesn't mean anything really, cause they can't even meet! You must be confused by the comic or just wanting to argue for no reason. I'd go with the latter.

Originally posted by zopzop
TOAA destroys the Presence. Hell, Dream of the Endless with enough dreamers destroys the Presence.

Originally posted by leonidas
lol oh zop, you're so ridiculously predictable. taking the comment at its word, where is your proof such a tactic would be remotely possible? having been created to BE supreme he IS supreme and has always BEEN supreme. where do you get the idea that he can now just be 'uncreated' by any force, even those alleged to have shaped him? you make it sound like you have some support for the idea that we can gather a bunch of people, have them not believe in god, and suddenly, he's gone. 😂

having been brought into being, god is now a separate entity, a supreme entity. lucifer too is separate. he was never 'dreamed' into being he was made by god, so trying to 'dream' him away lol would be....really stupid. as far as god--before the creation, he existed in a realm of nothingness--you know, where there were no people to have ever believed in him. 😐 no where in any vertigo book is god's power shown as being based on belief--regardless of how you credit his having been formed. in fact, his power is said to be eternal--it will FAR outlast anything living. if anything, taking carey at his word means thanos would have zero chance here. god was dreamed to be supreme, above ALL. thanos's power would be utterly meaningless and he'd be dismissed as a child would be.

and given that lucifer is the representation of his will, lucifer would also be clearly beyond the ig's ability to affect.

Originally posted by leonidas
just so's we're all clear--no proof--not even an allusion--to this absurd notion that god can just be...uncreated by forcing people to....dream it? good. so, obviously we can also agree that continuing along such an utterly unsubstantiated line of thought like that could, at best, be seen as trolling, and at worst as outright perpetuation of misinformation potentially ending up with mod warnings or something like that? fan-phukcing-tastic. glad we're all on the same page here. 👆

Originally posted by Cogito

And there are beings in Marvel that predate its creation (e.g. Oblivion).

the Silk Man.

In Marvel, everything, everything imaginable or possible, is courtesy of TOAA.

TOAA creates would be "Gods" and/or "Supreme beings" for lulz.

TOAA makes "God" ... so Marvel can have a so called "God" ...

... but TOAA is beyond/above fantastical concepts like in-universe "God" relating to a religious tone.

TOAA known as "God" ... was portrayed as again, the fictional representative avatar of the writer/artist.

No, it is not.

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