In terms of canonicity? They are. Both are mods made by the fans implemented into the games; the only difference is in KOTOR II's case, the creators of the game were grateful 'cause their original idea was now playable, but the original idea doesn't matter with what we've actually got... Unless, of course, you think Dooku is actually female, Han Solo is a fish-man, Rey's real name is Kira, Maul can choke Sidious, etc.
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Enough with the bullshit Myth, the creators weren't just "grateful" nor was content made by the fans, but by the developers, and it was restored to the game as an officially supported mod by Aspry working in partnership with Lucasfilm, branded as the finished product.
I see no reason to distinguish between it and the video game proper, and certainly not to make these bullshit equivalencies between examples where the content was not intended to make the final cut, or had nothing to do with the original product in the first place. Rofl.
Originally posted by Beniboybling
Enough with the bullshit Myth, the creators weren't just "grateful" nor was content made by the fans, but by the developers, and it was restored to the game as an officially released mod by Aspry working in partnership with Lucasfilm, branded as the finished product.
This is good, if true.
Originally posted by Beniboybling
😆Enough with the bullshit Myth, the creators weren't just "grateful" nor was content made by the fans, but by the developers, and it was restored to the game as an officially released mod by Aspry working in partnership with Lucasfilm, branded as the finished product.
I see no reason to distinguish between it and the video game proper, and certainly not to make these bullshit equivalencies between examples where the content was not intended to make the final cut, or had nothing to do with the official product in the first place. Rofl.
Is this true? If so, I will accept it.
Aspyr in partnership with Disney Interactive and LucasArts is proud to announce STAR WARS™ Knights of the Old Republic™ II - The Sith Lords™ is now available on Mac and Linux, along with a massive update to all 3 platforms.http://steamcommunity.com/games/208580/announcements/detail/145589580847766181
And the mod on their website in case people missed it:
https://www.aspyr.com/games/star-wars-knights-of-the-old-republic-ii-restored-content-mod
Originally posted by Emperordmb
The KOTOR II cut content falls under the umbrella "cut content." Is there anything in that statement that excludes certain types of cut content from the umbrella of cut content?
That's disney's canon policy, you can't extrapolate that to Legends since the two continuities follow separate rules.
There are two fundamental problems with extrapolating that logic to lower tiers:
1. The G-canon tier is special because that content literally came from the word of god as far as Legends canon was concerned, so it's extremely obvious why special rules would apply to content directly connected to Lucas that don't apply to other content. Likewise I haven't seen the argument for why the content of game developers should be treated with the same logic as the content of the man who had the final say over everything in Star Wars at the time.
2. If we applied the logic for G-canon to every lower tier, then that would mean any unpublished internal notes or statements from creators of C-canon material would also be C-canon, which is an absolutely ridiculous thread to pull, and is only more evidence for why its absolutely ridiculous to baselessly argue the same standards for G-canon can be extrapolated to every other tier of canon.
George Lucas's comments were seen as gospel because he had direct control over canon. If he disagreed with anything, or said anything, people could not overrule him because he had the final word on all canon matters. That's why he was treated as gospel. Writers for various parts of canon however were given free reign over their prospective projects. Obisidan were green-lit to make their entire script into canon. I agree that George has different rules to the writers, but when a script is green-lit to become canon, there is no difference other than which 'tier' of legends canon it falls into.
So yes, you're right in point two, you cannot extrapolate it into notes or statements, because the individuals themselves have no power over canon until their scripts are approved. Once a script is approved however, arbitrary cuts due to time constrains should be treated in precisely the same way as scenes cut due to film length worries.
Although this is all irrelevant now that Beni's posted the quote from Aspyr, as I said, the cut content has been officially released. I guess the revelation that it's now called 'restored content' can end your ridiculous attempt at a crusade based on undeniably vague wording from one version of the canon guidelines 🙂
Part of what makes something canon in a shared universe is whether it possesses legitamacy in its role of potentially influencing canon works from other creators in that shared universe, which something that isn't technically canon won't necessarily possess, regardless of whether it matches the intentions of its own creators.
Originally posted by SunRazer
Just why are we debating this again? Dark side options are also non-canon but are considered usable (or at least worth taking into account) on the grounds of alignment with author intent.
My view has always been that what you're technically seeing in a game like KOTOR2 is a fully canon set of possible worlds, where the primary LS path simply happens to correspond to the actual timeline explored in the rest of canon.
Originally posted by Beniboybling
And the mod on their website in case people missed it:https://www.aspyr.com/games/star-wars-knights-of-the-old-republic-ii-restored-content-mod
Originally posted by Beniboybling
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Enough with the bullshit Myth, the creators weren't just "grateful" nor was content made by the fans, but by the developers, and it was restored to the game as an officially supported mod by Aspry working in partnership with Lucasfilm, branded as the finished product.
This is good enough for me tbh. 👆