Is "Cut Content", specifically TLSRCM, to be considered Canon?

I wonder why the developers (i.e. Obsidian) did not patch the game officially. Why fans had to do it... mmm

You literally just have to use Google to find the answer. It would have taken less time than it took to make the above post. LucasArts didn't let them.

Xbox servers, literally just because of Xbox servers.

Originally posted by AncientPower
Xbox servers, literally just because of Xbox servers.

I'm sure Xbox owners would be pissed, but... honestly who cares.

Nope, internally Microsoft complained that a full game patch was far too large for their Xbox servers to handle. * insert shitty legal reasons* LucasArts blocked the patch in its entirety thereafter. I remember reading about that shit storm on the lucasarts forums.

^^^

One of the reasons I am not a fan of consoles and Microsoft.

A reason that hasn't been true for over a decade?

Originally posted by Selenial
Leland Che discussed Canon breakdown on the Star Wars: Message Boards way back when, in 2007. He had this to say:

Leeland Chee
The database does indeed have a canon field. Anything in the films and from George Lucas (including unpublished internal notes that we might receive from him or from the film production department) is considered "G" canon. Next we have what we call continuity "C" canon which is pretty much everything else.

Originally posted by Selenial
In this he shows that Lucasarts view scripts as canon, as much as they do the final product. If this is the policy used by the Holocron for G-Canon, it's certainly the same for canon tiers below that. Especially given his words on C canon being "everything else".

Leeland Chee
N-canon, or Non-canon: "What-if" stories, including those published under the Infinities label. Any content directly and irreconcilably contradicted by higher canon. Cut content and canceled projects. This was the only level that Lucasfilm did not consider to have some degree of canonicity.

Credit to Mythlord for the quote

Which mentions nothing about cut content that has been officially released. I.E. cut content left in a freely accessible format, or release via steam.

Really? I didn't see any part of that quote specifying that that rule only applied to cut content unofficially released.

Kek, now that's just grasping at straws.

That's still cut-content/cancelled part of a game. The fact that it's an accessable mod of the game means absolutely nothing.

Just why are we debating this again? Dark side options are also non-canon but are considered usable (or at least worth taking into account) on the grounds of alignment with author intent.

I thought it was widely held that cut content wasn't considered canon, but that it could still be used as material in a debate?

Originally posted by Emperordmb
Really? I didn't see any part of that quote specifying that that rule only applied to cut content unofficially released.

And you didn't see any part of the rule that clarifies any kind of cut content is non canon.

TCW unaired episodes are "cut content" but are canon to the storyline of the universe as soon as officially released, and as long as they're not contradicted. The same is said of deleted scenes in the Star Wars trilogies.

Extrapolating that logic to the lower tiers yields exactly what I said during this whole thread, nice try though.

Originally posted by SunRazer
Just why are we debating this again? Dark side options are also non-canon but are considered usable (or at least worth taking into account) on the grounds of alignment with author intent.

Also a fair point. 👆

Originally posted by SunRazer
Just why are we debating this again?

Originally posted by Selenial
And you didn't see any part of the rule that clarifies any kind of cut content is non canon.

Originally posted by Selenial
TCW unaired episodes are "cut content" but are canon to the storyline of the universe as soon as officially released, and as long as they're not contradicted.

Originally posted by Selenial
The same is said of deleted scenes in the Star Wars trilogies.

Extrapolating that logic to the lower tiers yields exactly what I said during this whole thread

There are two fundamental problems with extrapolating that logic to lower tiers:
1. The G-canon tier is special because that content literally came from the word of god as far as Legends canon was concerned, so it's extremely obvious why special rules would apply to content directly connected to Lucas that don't apply to other content. Likewise I haven't seen the argument for why the content of game developers should be treated with the same logic as the content of the man who had the final say over everything in Star Wars at the time.
2. If we applied the logic for G-canon to every lower tier, then that would mean any unpublished internal notes or statements from creators of C-canon material would also be C-canon, which is an absolutely ridiculous thread to pull, and is only more evidence for why its absolutely ridiculous to baselessly argue the same standards for G-canon can be extrapolated to every other tier of canon.

Originally posted by Selenial
nice try though.

I pulled out a quote saying that "cut content" is non-canon, whereas you're arguing the blanket statement "cut content" only refers to certain types of cut content even though that isn't specified in the quote I provided at all.

You're argument hinges on you trying to apply Disney Storyboard Canon policy to the Legends continuity... which I shouldn't even have to try and counter because that's a rule for a separate continuity, and you trying to argue the same rules that apply to content directly connected to the man who owned and had final say over the legends continuity also apply to lower levels of canon without any evidence other than "because I say so," and I've already provided an example as to why applying G-canon logic to lower levels of canon doesn't work since that would mean unpublished production notes of C-canon creators are also C-canon, which you have even admitted isn't the case.

Your argument really has no leg to stand on.

Now I suspect that you won't give up on this argument, and will instead shift gears to "Well certain elements of G-canon (such as the unpublished internal notes and creator statements) don't apply to lower canon, but I can still claim that other elements of G-canon (such as cut content) apply to lower levels of canon even though I don't have any direct evidence suggesting that that specific logic applies to lower tiers whereas other logic demonstrably doesn't."

If you're going to try and argue that point than good luck because you're going to need it.

Originally posted by SunRazer
Just why are we debating this again? Dark side options are also non-canon but are considered usable (or at least worth taking into account) on the grounds of alignment with author intent.

I thought it was widely held that cut content wasn't considered canon, but that it could still be used as material in a debate?

But yeah I agree with Sel, arguably this cut content has been restored to the game and is no longer "cut."

But it was restored to the game by fans. The devs were grateful, but that hardly makes it canon.

The mod is officially supported tho.

But it's still referred to as "cut-content". It's been erased from the game for a reason, whatever that reason may be, hence rendered null and void.

No it's referred to as "restored content"

https://www.aspyr.com/games/star-wars-knights-of-the-old-republic-ii-restored-content-mod

(In particular note the strap line: "Play Knights of the Old Republic II the way it was intended to be played!"😉

Losur.