Deadshot vs Winter Soldier...

Originally posted by Nibedicus
You make some good points. I would actually see WS attempting to shoot at DS.

At 100 yards with no cover, one can argue that neither character could miss (as WS has managed to hit targets thru a wall at that range).

So it comes down to who is the faster draw.

My bet would be on the guy with the bullet blocking robot arm.

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Edit. That was me trying to be funny in case you hadn't noticed.

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Thats why I put the stalemate option in; both have enough time to get off a 3 round shot regardless of who has the faster draw...

Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
Thats why I put the stalemate option in; both have enough time to get off a 3 round shot regardless of who has the faster draw...

You sound reasonable enough....

I don't like it.

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Originally posted by Nibedicus
You sound reasonable enough....

I don't like it.

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Originally posted by Nibedicus
Still a bit busy these days to debate (came out of semi-retirement).

And I haven't seen SS yet so no spoiler-replies to my comments pls if at all possible (again, too busy to even watch movies/play games anymore).

But "feat"-to-"feat", WS has blocked bullets with his arm from multiple angles and at close range more than once, he has also dodged automatic fire at close/point blank range.

Accuracy is cool and all, but elite soldiers shooting at point blank range should alleviate the accuracy/skill difference between them and Deadshot don't you think? As at point blank, basically once you are able to shoot a weapon at 100% accuracy, how much more accurate can you get? Can DS bend bullet trajectories (ala Wanted)?

Question is, has DS shot and hit anyone with dodging/blocking "feats" equal to WS (aka, his level of defensive precision and agility)?

Also, bear in mind, 100 meters means that DS has about 4 seconds before WS is on him (as WS has shown he can run around 50-60mph).

Not saying WS wins, but just some things to think about.

Originally posted by Robtard
Thanks, but it's not difficult to express a winning/convincing argument, you just have to not behave like an intellectually dishonest clownshoes.

Though correct, we must remember this is quan and that is a bridge too far for him.

Everyone's concentrating on how accurate Deadshot is but unless he's shown high proficiency for dodging/ducking then he gets shot by WS just as easily.

WS is not a crappy shot, far from it. And though he's not as accurate as Deadshot I don't see any reason he can't hit Deadshot at the same time he gets hit if none of them duck. They have the same kind of gun with bullets that travel at the same speed.

This fight can go either way. Deadshot's accuracy will be negated by WS's superior speed and reflexes, plus his metal hand that he uses to block bullets. Because it's not simply a target shooting contest, how fast you move and how good you are at dodging and blocking will play just as big a part.

Clips of this superior speed of WS with a gun. I see no such evidence. Second, WS isn't even close to DS when it comes to accuracy. DS is better and decisively so. Shoot, I've ssen WS miss more targets than he's actually hit.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Clips of this superior speed of WS with a gun. I see no such evidence. Second, WS isn't even close to DS when it comes to accuracy. DS is better and decisively so. Shoot, I've ssen WS miss more targets than he's actually hit.

Superior speed with a gun? You don't need superior speed on a gun because the speed of a bullet isn't dependent on how fast you are.

Now if you mean how fast WS can move his hands (which will be holding a gun) then all I need to do is point you in the direction of WS's multiple fight scenes against Cap and multiple fight scenes where he took out multiple assailants.

Doesn't matter how much better a shot Deadshot is. If he doesn't duck and dodge he'll still get shot.

You haven't seen any of the Cap movies so your "I see no such evidence" statement is rather useless.

Originally posted by FrothByte
Superior speed with a gun? You don't need superior speed on a gun because the speed of a bullet isn't dependent on how fast you are.

Now if you mean how fast WS can move his hands (which will be holding a gun) then all I need to do is point you in the direction of WS's multiple fight scenes against Cap and multiple fight scenes where he took out multiple assailants.

Doesn't matter how much better a shot Deadshot is. If he doesn't duck and dodge he'll still get shot.

Originally posted by Arachnid1
He can bounce bullets off of surfaces and still get a perfect center of skull head shot. He puts the bullet exactly were he wants to. Are you trying to argue that WS is going to block all his shots with perfect accuracy? Lets say he blocks the first which is likely going to be a headshot. Will he block the next couple of shots perfectly aimed at his limbs, heart, and groin? What about the bullet coming at his skull from a complete different angle than where all the other shots are coming from due to being bounced off a wall? By the way, all these shots are coming within 1-2 seconds (yes, he displayed enough skill to be this accurate with quick shots on both stationary and sprinting targets). He even almost killed Batman within seconds of the encounter starting (Bats was saved btw) with the one and only bullet he'd have needed.

In this fight, DS is given an M16 as opposed to a pistol or the wrist mounted gun, which makes it even easier to be quick and accurate for him (not that it makes any difference since he wont miss no matter what he's given as a weapon) not to mention it's a 3 round burst weapon. WS has never encountered anyone with this level of skill and accuracy with firearms. I doubt he'd even block the first bullet nevermind those that follow. He is not a bullet timer. Watch the movie before arguing for a side. I don't think you'd be making the argument at all if you were aware of what Deadshot was capable of.

Originally posted by Arachnid1
Where was he quick and accurate at 100m? It doesn't matter if he's quick because DS only needs to adjust his aim an inch or two for every ten feet WS manages to sprint. This fight is far enough that is basically a strict gun fight, and DS will not lose in a gun fight. Also, as KT said, WS has missed more shots at this point than he's actually hit. DS, on the other hand, only missed on shot. That one shot was on purpose. Every other shot was a perfect head shot on every assailant he encountered.

Here's a question for you: Once the fight starts, what do you think Deadshot is going to do? Stay in position and just shoot? Because if he doesn't move, he's gonna get hit. Or do you think that WS is just going to be running around without even firing a shot?

100m isn't such a long distance that a super assassin like WS can't hit a non moving target.

They're both going to be shooting at each other, because that's what you do with a rifle, these scenarios of waving arms around while running are silly and need to stop. So it comes down to the guy who has missed before vs the guy who literally has never missed when trying.

Originally posted by FrothByte
Here's a question for you: Once the fight starts, what do you think Deadshot is going to do? Stay in position and just shoot? Because if he doesn't move, he's gonna get hit. Or do you think that WS is just going to be running around without even firing a shot?

100m isn't such a long distance that a super assassin like WS can't hit a non moving target.

You're trying to argue that WS is going to win in a gun fight with the most impressive and lethal shot I've seen in a super hero movie so far, and guns just aren't WS's main strength. Is he skilled and quick? Yes. That wont help him since he's not quick or skilled enough to bullet time out of the way of DS shots. People are trying to argue that WS is going to be on the move and blocking all of DS shots with his metal arm while being accurate enough to shoot and take him out first even though he's a highly inferior shot. It makes no sense.

Question for you now. Have you seen the movie yet?

Originally posted by Robtard
They're both going to be shooting at each other, because that's what you do with a rifle, these scenarios of waving arms around while running are silly and need to stop. So it comes down to the guy who has missed before vs the guy who literally has never missed when trying.

I swear, I think people honestly have no clue about facts, logic and then deduction. WS has literally missed more times than he's hit anybody. I'm supposed to be impressed by this? That should lead me to believe he'll beat a guy who never misses in a gun fight? Rigghhhtttttttttt

Originally posted by Robtard
They're both going to be shooting at each other, because that's what you do with a rifle, these scenarios of waving arms around while running are silly and need to stop. So it comes down to the guy who has missed before vs the guy who literally has never missed when trying.

Or it comes down to the guy who has blocked and dodge multiple bullets before vs. the guy who's usually just the one shooting.

Now granted, I haven't watched Suicide Squad, so if Deadshot has some awesome bullet dodging feats please correct me.

My point here is that if Deadshot just stands there and shoots Winter Soldier (like majority of people here are imagining) he's gonna get shot. Because WS is a good enough shot that he can hit someone who just standing still at 100 m.

To me, this fight is a toss up. Deadshot is a better shot and WS is a more mobile combatant.

But I'll probably have better formed opinions once I watch SS.

Originally posted by Arachnid1
I think that DS is going to accurately acquire and shoot his target much quicker than WS, and it's only going to take one shot. He doesn't need to move. Just point and shoot. It doesn't matter if WS is moving or not, because DS' first shot wont miss. He took out dozens of sprinting targets in SS, and here he only needs to contend with one.

You're trying to argue that WS is going to win in a gun fight with the most impressive and lethal shot I've seen in a super hero movie so far, and guns just aren't WS's main strength. Is he skilled and quick? Yes. That wont help him since he's not quick or skilled enough to bullet time out of the way of DS shots. People are trying to argue that WS is going to be on the move and blocking all of DS shots with his metal arm while being accurate enough to shoot and take him out first even though he's a highly inferior shot. It makes no sense.

Question for you now. Have you seen the movie yet?

This. I can understand Quan arguing for WS since he always fanboys his @ss off in this threads, but with others, I can only assume they have yet to see the movie. That is the only way it makes sense.

I haven't seen the movie yet but I sense a flaw in your logic already. Are you assuming that once the fight starts that WS won't shoot immediately? Or that once he shoots he won't hit DS?

Because it seems to me that your so engrossed on how DS can hit WS that you never thought about how DS can stop getting hit by WS? Because otherwise they'll just both end up dead.

Also, I never said WS is going to win. I think it's a toss up. Even if DS has 100% accuracy, what's stopping him from getting hit?

Originally posted by FrothByte
Or it comes down to the guy who has blocked and dodge multiple bullets before vs. the guy who's usually just the one shooting.

Now granted, I haven't watched Suicide Squad, so if Deadshot has some awesome bullet dodging feats please correct me.

My point here is that if Deadshot just stands there and shoots Winter Soldier (like majority of people here are imagining) he's gonna get shot. Because WS is a good enough shot that he can hit someone who just standing still at 100 m.

To me, this fight is a toss up. Deadshot is a better shot and WS is a more mobile combatant.

But I'll probably have better formed opinions once I watch SS.

Jumping out of the way of bullets /= dodged bullets. Normal human by that measure dodge bullets. Not a good choice of words imo.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Jumping out of the way of bullets /= dodged bullets. Normal human by that measure dodge bullets. Not a good choice of words imo.

"Dodge a bullet" is a phrase that can be literally applied to even common soldiers and policemen in a gun fight. And it means simply that you were able to get out of the way of a bullet.

Maybe what you're thinking is bullet-timing?

I would simply choose the term. Got out of the way of gunfire. Dodging implies he saw it coming and moved out of the way. Like in dodgeballl. You don't just jump out of the way before something is thrown. You see it, and then move accordingly. You don't see a bullet and then move.

WS has blocked gunfire Deadshot hasn't. WS has incredible accuracy and has faced off against superior opponents than Deadshot has faced off against. He was slow to react to Batman and let his kid get in the way. Not very fast, amigos.