Deadshot vs Winter Soldier...

Originally posted by Robtard
Being able to see where the bullet is coming from is far easier at near point-blank range than 100meters, if WS were to try and block instead of shooting first (why would he?), he would be guessing were to block. He has an arm, not a large shield. He'd do the smart thing and shoot.

So it's a 100meter shooting battle, logic dictates that the guy who never misses wins or takes the lion's share out of ten.

Of note, WS failed to deliver a kill shot to an already injured Fury and that shot wasn't from 100metrs, he was on the roof of the ajacent building and he had the luxury of setting himself up first.

But yeah, watch the flick and then judge.

He shot Fury thru a wall. It looks like he figured Fury's location by estimating his angle from Cap's positioning. From the window, I don't think he had LOS on Fury. Here's a rather interesting analysis of the scene:

http://paraxdisepink.tumblr.com/post/110663775064/how-the-winter-soldier-shot-nick-fury

And he hit center mass, not his fault Fury is pretty hard to kill. Not really the best showing to use to downplay Bucky's accuracy here.

I feel ppl are arguing the wrong points here.

Does DS have any kind of arm speed showing?

I mean, I think everyone agrees that he is the better shot. But, as I said, there is a cap on how relevant accuracy is in a fight. If both sides can hit each other, then it is the side that hits first (and not the side who hits better) that will likely win.

Not saying WS will win, but saying he has zero chance is kinda downplaying his chances and ignores some important logical premises.

And KT, Pls rewatch the fight of WS and Falcon. Falcon had a clear bead on him and the shots landed around WS, he didn't simply jump away, he dodged those shots. Not that it matters as I don't think there's time for him to dodge vs DS if what ppl are saying is true.

Under these stipulations, I'd give it to Deadshot.

Originally posted by Nibedicus
He shot Fury thru a wall. It looks like he figured Fury's location by estimating his angle from Cap's positioning. From the window, I don't think he had LOS on Fury. Here's a rather interesting analysis of the scene:

http://paraxdisepink.tumblr.com/post/110663775064/how-the-winter-soldier-shot-nick-fury

And he hit center mass, not his fault Fury is pretty hard to kill. Not really the best showing to use to downplay Bucky's accuracy here.

Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
Boy, Deadshot sure is crushing Winter Soldier...

11-5!!

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Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
The evidence seems to back...Deadshot!

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Originally posted by quanchi112
You never answer any questions and expect someone else to. Hypocrisy and the reason no one takes you seriously, troll.

Did Deadshot beat Batman ?

Bullshit. I'm still waiting for an answer kiddo. Which one of WS feats displayed awesome accuracy and speed. as you claimed

Originally posted by Nibedicus
I feel ppl are arguing the wrong points here.

Does DS have any kind of arm speed showing?

I mean, I think everyone agrees that he is the better shot. But, as I said, there is a cap on how relevant accuracy is in a fight. If both sides can hit each other, then it is the side that hits first (and not the side who hits better) that will likely win.

Not saying WS will win, but saying he has zero chance is kinda downplaying his chances and ignores some important logical premises.

And KT, Pls rewatch the fight of WS and Falcon. Falcon had a clear bead on him and the shots landed around WS, he didn't simply jump away, he dodged those shots. Not that it matters as I don't think there's time for him to dodge vs DS if what ppl are saying is true.

Come on Big Nib, that is a point you can't win. I could literally cite over a 1000 movies where somebody very skilled takes aim at a main character and miss as he's (running away, jumping away, jumping behind something etc etc) These aren't even enhanced people. What you say WS literally happens in almost every action movie ever made. It wasn't impressive.

Originally posted by Nibedicus
He shot Fury thru a wall. It looks like he figured Fury's location by estimating his angle from Cap's positioning. From the window, I don't think he had LOS on Fury. Here's a rather interesting analysis of the scene:

http://paraxdisepink.tumblr.com/post/110663775064/how-the-winter-soldier-shot-nick-fury

And he hit center mass, not his fault Fury is pretty hard to kill. Not really the best showing to use to downplay Bucky's accuracy here.

He fired 4-5 shots were he expected Fury to be standing, at least one hit, I'd have to rewatch. Wasn't saying it's not impressive, just that Deadshot could do better in the same scenario giving his skills. i.e. DS only would have needed 1 shot and it would have been lethal. When you watch SS, you'll understand.

Originally posted by FrothByte
I'm just saying that if both combatants start the fight shooting at each other (and this is probably what they'll do) then the person who doesn't move will die. And if they both don't move then they both die. Because WS is good enough to hit someone from 100m. Yes I know that Deadshot probably won't miss, what I'm saying is that it's stupid to think that DS can just stand there and not move and WS will just magically miss him while his bullet hits WS.

He had to shoot through a wall to get through Nick Fury if I'm not mistaken.

Now a genuine question from me which I'd be grateful if you answered: Did DS have any feats where he ducked/dodged around gunfire? Or easily hit all his targets while under fire from an opponent?

I think it's a matter of Deadshot absolutely won't miss while WS has the potential, as he's good, but doesn't have DS' rediculous accuracy. So it's either a tie and they kill each other or goes to DS.

I covered that in my response to Nib, was good, but in the same scenario DS would have shined. You'll need to see SS to understand.

Don't recall any dodging of bullets from DS. He never misses his target though and iirc, there is a scene where he's returning fire while fire is coming back at him.

Honestly, just watch SS. I think your tune will change, at least somewhat.

Originally posted by wakkawakkawakka
The problem I see with that is we'd have to assume that WS would get a beat on DS before the latter find him first, be quicker to the draw than DS, and incapacitate him all before DS fires a round. Something that I doubt will happen as DS does have some pretty good feats of perfect accuracy while fighting under fire.

Also unless view of Fury was obstructed due to the wall then I don't think that's the best example. He also had a clear shot on BW and didn't score a lethal hit and she was much closer to him than WS is to DS in this scenario.

The short answer to this question is yes, DS does have those feats even if its hard to tell with all the choppy editing SS has.

Just because DS is more accurate doesn't mean he's quicker on the draw. That would depend on hand speed and reflex, which WS should have an advantage of being an enhanced human.

Like I said, I'm not saying WS wins. I just think that this contest doesn't just boil down to accuracy. Reflex and dodging skills will be just as important.

Iirc Both WS and DS drew, aimed and fired their weapons as fast as the actors could, don't recall any SFX used to make either superhumanly quick draws. Yeah?

I feel the same way as Rob. I don't recall anything about WS being extremely fast on the draw.

WS can block bullets, DS hasn't, and he is more ruthless than DS. DS isn't fast in the draw either. Shooting inanimate objects isn't that impressive with present company included.

Floyd is far more ruthless. Bucky himself was only ever ruthless when he was under mind control. Otherwise he never tried to kill people. Floyd on the other hand immediately tried to murder everyone who crossed him. Batman would've died if he didn't have the bulletproof cowl, and he definitely would've died if his daughter didn't beg him to stop. That prison guard would've died if he hadn't fired off a practice round to see if they'd really give him a loaded gun. Etc... Floyd only never killed someone if he had a good, self serving reason not to.

Originally posted by quanchi112
False. The evidence even shows how slow to react Deadshot is to gun batman down since he lets his own pathetic daughter the time to get in between them. More evidence to suggest he hesitates just as he did when he killed the target. WS will shoot him down. Better feats, better opponents, and bullet blocking feats. WS all day.

You are the biggest piece of sh!t debater ever with your stupid hypotheticals...

So a trained soldier (Winter Soldier) holding a fully loaded M-16 assault rifle is standing 100 yards away from another guy (that WS only knows is a contract killer; DS's superhuman aim isn't common knowledge) holding a M16....

And as soon as the fight starts, WS is not even going to attempt to aim according to you; he's going to block instead...

That is stupid beyond stupid...

That is so stupid that is makes you the dumbest guy to ever post at KMC...

They fight in character you retarded Marvel blowjob giver...

Both characters will absolutely attempt to shoot each other...period.

Get your head out of of your @ss and actually think for a change...

Originally posted by Robtard
Iirc Both WS and DS drew, aimed and fired their weapons as fast as the actors could, don't recall any SFX used to make either superhumanly quick draws. Yeah?

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Winter Soldiers draw is no faster than Deadshots per on screen depiction...

Originally posted by KingD19
Floyd is far more ruthless. Bucky himself was only ever ruthless when he was under mind control. Otherwise he never tried to kill people. Floyd on the other hand immediately tried to murder everyone who crossed him. Batman would've died if he didn't have the bulletproof cowl, and he definitely would've died if his daughter didn't beg him to stop. That prison guard would've died if he hadn't fired off a practice round to see if they'd really give him a loaded gun. Etc... Floyd only never killed someone if he had a good, self serving reason not to.