The Outlander vs Darth Vader

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Like he ragdolled Ahsoka Tano and Luke Skywalker (as of ROTJ)? 🙄

Face it, you are delusional.

Darth Vader isn't ragdolling a Force-user who is powerful enough to defeat Arcann.

Darth Vader's ability to affect external environment in impressive ways matters little in a contest against another powerful Force-user who have the means to protect himself from Force powers.

However there is no evidence that suggests the Outlander can shrug off Vader's TK, if he chooses to employ it.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
[B]That's nice. Arcann was inferior to the Outlander when the ship was sitting still all the same. The fact that he lost his footing at the climax of a battle doesn't mean everything afterwards was due to that.

He was only inferior in the force, the saber duel was still a hard fought match. You can't change this in spite of all the dickriding you want to do. The match changed only when the ship was buckled, and then Outlander was finally able to score some decisive hits. Pretty irrelevant when this is a fight in neutral ground against a more technically skilled and more powerful opponent

You're the one making this argument, but thanks for the support. The Outlander wins because Vader can't do shit to them offensively and has never killed anyone remotely this powerful with TK

You're trying to claim he demolished him which isn't the case 😂. But thanks for ignoring factors that contributed heavily to him winning as effectively as he did. He choked Starkiller out, has greater telekinesis, greater knowledge of the force, and vastly better showings of barrier.

The lightsaber isn't just good against Arcann, that's a gameplay mechanic. And as soon as Vader's superior TK kills someone, I'll be right on board. Until then, Vader will tire long before the Outlander gets tired of just raising their hand.

It doesn't need to "kill" anyone to be effective in combat, and without a ship rumbling destabilizing Vader there is no chance Outlander can beat him in a duel. Show me anyone Outlander has beaten in a lightsaber duel more skilled than Vader and then we'll talk

Originally posted by Beniboybling
It was a joke dear, no need to get your knickers in a twist.
However there is no evidence that suggests the Outlander can shrug off Vader's TK, if he chooses to employ it.

Tanking Arcann's powers is not enough?

Considering that he didn't, no. That was kinda the point. 😬

Originally posted by Beniboybling
I missed the tanking and spanking but considering the Outlander is just as suprised as Arcann when he does that, it was probably Valkorion's doing. mmm

On the other hand he chose to eat the dirt rather than block Arcann's TK later on, telling.

They tanked all his force attacks during the fight and then beat him in sabers. It clearly wasn't Valkorion's doing either, that's stupid. Valkorion is either absent or dormant at the time.

Dodging instead of blocking is simply more efficient.

Did... More footage come out last night about Arcann and the Outlander that justifies this conversation?

A bit more. Not sure if you caught it, if you chose the [Kill Arcann] option you kind of own him.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
Considering that he didn't, no. That was kinda the point. 😬

Originally posted by Nephthys
A bit more. Not sure if you caught it, if you chose the [Kill Arcann] option you kind of own him.

Nah, I saw it. And it was cool, but... No one there showed anything beyond Vader lol.

Originally posted by The_Tempest
Nah, I saw it. And it was cool, but... No one there showed anything beyond Vader lol.

You cannot prove that Darth Vader can dominate Arcann with his powers. He is no Valkorion.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Am I missing something?

I might have skipped some of the footage, but I'm assuming Beni is referring to when Arcann launches a TK blast at Outlander and he jumps to the side.

Unless there is footage of him tanking it? If not, just like you are claiming one can't prove Vader can dominate Arcann with his force powers, I don't see how you can claim Outlander tanked Arcann's.

Originally posted by Nephthys
They tanked all his force attacks during the fight and then beat him in sabers. It clearly wasn't Valkorion's doing either, that's stupid. Valkorion is either absent or dormant at the time.

Dodging instead of blocking is simply more efficient.

Originally posted by Trocity
I might have skipped some of the footage, but I'm assuming Beni is referring to when Arcann launches a TK blast at Outlander and he jumps to the side.

Unless there is footage of him tanking it? If not, just like you are claiming one can't prove Vader can dominate Arcann with his force powers, I don't see how you can claim Outlander tanked Arcann's.

EDIT: Or I assume they are referring to the DS ending, but Arcann had been cut up by that point.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
Provide an example, he never tanks a single one. And Arcann seems to disagree.

I'll do so after I go through the fight. Though clearly Arcann couldn't do shit to them with the Force given that he lost.

Arcann doesn't know what he's talking about. Regardless even he attributes it to Valkorion's mark, not Valkorion himself. When Valkorion is using his power through the Outlander, there are visual cues that weren't present.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
Throwing yourself to the floor is more efficient than deflecting an attack with one's impenetrable defense? Lol.

Factually, yes.

Originally posted by Nephthys
I'll do so after I go through the fight. Though clearly Arcann couldn't do shit to them with the Force given that he lost.

Arcann doesn't know what he's talking about. Regardless even he attributes it to Valkorion's mark, not Valkorion himself. When Valkorion is using his power through the Outlander, there are visual cues that weren't present.

Factually, yes.

Vader's still the more experienced, and proficient duelist - while sporting superior telekinetic power to boot. Before becoming a "far more formidable" combatant, and further increasing that power on RotJ, Vader was able to break through Starkillers defenses and choke him momentarily. The Outlander TK feats aren't on the same planet as Mr Frigate buster.

It will be a pretty good fight and all, but Vader wins. 👆

Originally posted by Deronn_solo
Vader's still the more experienced, and proficient duelist - while sporting superior telekinetic power to boot. Before becoming a "far more formidable" combatant, and further increasing that power on RotJ, Vader was able to break through Starkillers defenses and choke him momentarily. The Outlander TK feats aren't on the same planet as Mr Frigate buster.

It will be a pretty good fight and all, but Vader wins. 👆

I am not sure what makes Darth Vader more experienced and proficient duelist than the Outlander. The latter would have encountered many Sith in the battlefield and is revered for his exploits.

Darth Vader's (presumed) superiority in Telekinesis is largely irrelevant in this contest because the gap is not large. Darth Vader had his moments with Starkiller but he failed to defeat the latter when it mattered. Similarly, Darth Vader failed to defeat Luke Skywalker when it mattered.

The Outlander's combative strategy is different from that of Starkiller. If he is Light Side, then he is not fond of disintegrating stuff around him (The Outlander is officially promoted as Jedi Knight class by BioWare).

Darth Vader doesn't have any advantage here.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
The Outlander is a veteran of the Great Galactic War that lasted 28 years.

Nope.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Nope.

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Source: http://www.swtor.com/fallen-empire

I noticed that too in a codex about the Hero of Tython. That's a typo.

The Outlander's a veteran of the *Galactic War*, not the Great Galactic War.

It's also possible they're just mashing the two conflicts together.

Thats seems like a typo. The Outlander is a veteran of the Galactic War, which came after the Cold War, which itself came after the Great Galactic War.

The Outlander is still definitely comparable or superior in terms of dueling experience to Vader. They fought hundreds of Sith, fallen Jedi and Zakuul Knights in their day.