Originally posted by Jmanghan
Because thats how his personality is, he's cocky. He was mocking Kenobi for the entire fight, despite being pushed back, and almost chopped in half.He smiles when fighting ROTS Anakin and Obi-Wan as well.
We also don't see his face RIGHT after he blocks it, we see a few seconds later.
The fact is, a few seconds later he's casually blocking Obi-Wan's strikes and laughing at him... Why would him spinning and parrying Obi-Wan's blow, where Obi seems to be grunting, imply he's having trouble?
We literally don't know... All we see is Kenobi attacking and Dooku parrying. Your literally trying to force your conjecture-based head-canon as fact, lmfao. Can you get any more desperate and idiotic? Just leave the forum already and give us peace.
Also... Dooku was shitting himself in RotS by the time Anakin went all-out. He only smiled when he and Obi fooled him into a false sense of security and when he used Dun Moch against Anakin.
Let's also not forget Dooku was disappointed by Kenobi's lack of skill, so clearly Kenobi at the time wasn't coming close to the Count.
Originally posted by SunRazer
And you're obviously unable to stop swallowing Obi-Wan's cum 👆I don't know what you're trying to get out of me. I already admitted that it's a close fight, which it is. There's nothing else to be said. Dooku wins.
Nah, by saying Dooku is tier 9 would mean he stomps Kenobi. You either overrate Dooku or have no idea about Gilllard's tier system.
Originally posted by SunRazer
It doesn't mean Dooku would stomp at all. Do you think Mace would stomp Obi-Wan?
Mace as of his fight with Sidious would, Anakin as of his fight on the Invisible Hand / Knightfall would, Yoda would, Sidious would. Those are tier 9. Dooku isn't, but we've been over this and you flat out ignored it.
Originally posted by cs_zoltan
Mace as of his fight with Sidious would, Anakin as of his fight on the Invisible Hand / Knightfall would, Yoda would, Sidious would. Those are tier 9. Dooku isn't, but we've been over this and you flat out ignored it.
Mace as of his fight with Sidious? We're not factoring in external amps here.
Do you put Maul as tier 8 as well?
Originally posted by cs_zoltan
You really have no idea about Gilllard's tier system then, got it.
No, you just have no idea how Mace's abilities work. What happened against Sidious is a one-time thing that doesn't apply to other characters or in general. So it's only Mace in general, not Mace vs Sidious. Gillard wouldn't have been factoring it in anyway, unless he read the RotS novel.
Yes Maul is 8. Do you think he outclasses Kenobi too?
No, I was waiting for you to put him on par with Kenobi. But Dooku did better against Yoda than an enraged Maul did against a Sidious who was probably more conserved than Yoda.
And before you say it, Dooku's intimate Ataru knowledge is applicable against the likes of Qui-Gon, who had sparred with him thousands of times, but not applicable to Yoda. His knowledge of Ataru also served him well against Obi-Wan since Obi-Wan was trained in the technique by Qui-Gon. Yoda's Ataru, on the other hand, simply isn't the same, which is confirmed by Fightsaber saying that you need to understand all seven forms before you can truly understand Yoda's prowess as a warrior. You can argue that Dooku did spar with Yoda (or at least it's implied), but then, the knowledge would go both ways. Which does bring the fight closer, but not nearly enough to make up for Maul's rage factor.
Also, on your prior point about how turning to the dark side doesn't make you more skilled - it did for Dooku.
Sidious looked under some stress against Maul tbh. I'm actually inclined to see he was going at three quarter power, close to full power after the initial strikes as he underestimated how good Maul was... After all he hadn't seen him since TPM and his skills improved. Sheev is arrogant, not stupid, I don't think he'd risk going anywhere less than half power against a bloodlusted Darth Maul. Just to add, You see them both grimmacing at the end in blade-lock showing Sidious under some notable strain (I doubt Palpatine is the type of guy to show he's having trouble)
Call me whatever you want but this is just how I saw the fight.
He gets hit by Savage's bullrush as well. They were both inconsequential strikes, and given what Sidious did in his last fight with Maul in the caves of Ryloth, he was likely giving them the illusion of them standing a chance, then taking it away, true to his sadistic nature.
Besides, right after the kick is the saberlock. So even if my above explanation (which I find the most likely) isn't accurate, that kick might've prompted Sidious to pull out all the stops, which allowed him to overpower the enraged Maul in the bladelock.
Originally posted by SunRazer
Prior to that, it's confirmed that he was toying with Maul, even after Savage's death.
The "toying" is only confirmed in this line:
"In an intense duel, he killed Savage and toyed with Maul, ultimately deciding not to kill his former apprentice."
http://www.starwars.com/databank/darth-maul-biography-gallery (panel 33/33)
Which is likely referring to when Sidious disarmed Maul and began tossing him around, and shooting Lightning at him. Because remember these panels only really describe the events of the episode as we're seeing them anyway.
Not that that means Sidious didn't hold back at all, just that that's what the "toying" seems to be referring to in that sentence.
Originally posted by SunRazer
Not sure why that would apply only to after he had disarmed Maul. Besides, Filoni claims that Sidious goes all-in when he uses the Force to "maul" Maul. So it's referring to after Savage's death, but before the ragdolling.
Filoni's commentary and the official website descriptions are 2 different things, so you can't quote one to explain the other. Unless Filoni wrote the official site description.