Deadshot vs. Captain America

Originally posted by KingD19
What "erratic movement" is this you're talking about? We see in the highway scene, even running at full speed, he's still just running. One leg in front of the other.

If he does block with the shield, which is highly likely, DS can go, "Hmmm", point down and pop him in the legs. Because his first scene showed that he could turn around(after losing all pertinent data to make his shot due to taking off his lens, turning around, getting off his sighted in rifle, and his target constantly moving) and quickdraw a ricochet shot into a guys skull with a pistol on the side of his arm. He also with one arm, in the dark, was picking off scores of stone heads coming from multiple directions. Not one of them made it within what, 5 feet of him despite everyone else putting down their guns to watch the show.

Honestly, he may even get a lucky headshot as Cap doesn't tend to put his shield over his face, as people have a habit of shooting directly at his shield no matter where he's holding it.

Also take note Floyd himself stated he's a hitman, not a soldier. He wasn't trained to go for center mass/head shots like soldiers/cops. It's just easiest. He's not so dense as to realize he should put a round in this really fast guys leg if he can't shoot him in the face.

Yes, one leg is raised on top of the other at varying speeds is erratic. And him thinking to himself "hm gonna shoot the legs" still means he re-asses the situation, re-aim and fire. Which wastes precious time and the closer Cap is. The better he can aim block.

You mean the zombies moving at normal human speed that were not even trying to defend themselves that he shot at from 20 feet?

This scene?

https://youtu.be/gwhu1tn4JaQ

Well, yeah not bad. But not exactly the same thing here. And DS moves his entire body (his head included) everytime he retargets. And every shot and retarget took him a good chunk to a second to do (0.5-1 second per new target).

Also, another question:

At (0:24) isn't this a miss?

https://imgur.com/a/rcCtE

Now you are just downplaying Cap.

Seriously. Ppl hit his shield because the character is being portrayed at being a master at defending himself against gunfire. It is not luck. It would be like me saying DS's targets just walk into his line of fire. Can we stop that line of reasoning pls? He has been shown as a freakin savant at special geometry (like trajectory for example). And he has showings of aim blocking and has the ability to predict his opponents movements by instinct. While DS has no showings to counter any of those. Ppl are just assuming he can. Why can't Cap predict his aim or when he'll shoot by DS' movements (w/c are slightly exaggerated) and block there or dodge? He certainly has the feats to siggest he can.

And yes, given enough time, DS will ABSOLUTELY hit Cap. But he has a little over 2 seconds.

Originally posted by KingD19
Out of nowhere he gets attacked by Batman, then meets up with an insane clown girl, a crocodile man, a Samurai with a soul-stealing sword, and a Mexican fire demon. To fight a demonic priestess and her equally powerful brother as well as their stone minions. He took literally everything in that movie in stride.

Two different scenes man. If he wasn't flustered, he woulda aimed at the fleshy part and not the chest where a TON of people tend to wear body armor.

I don't know where this comment is going logic-wise.

Originally posted by Nibedicus
Lol. Utter garbage. It's funny how you try to ignoring your points when that is the exact same thing you are doing. Hypocrite much?

My argument has always been: "Feats support Cap being capable of defending against gunfire while DS has no showings of bypassing an opponent's defenses when they are actively trying to defend from being shot and actually has a bad showing when it comes to this." You're the one trying to distract from that.

But feel free to toss accusations anytime. I'm sure ppl believe you. 😂

Yes, I said they run at similar top speeds. But we are talking acceleration here (since you brought it up). You DO understand the difference, right Mr "Physics-guy"?

And no, Bucky taking 4 seconds to cross 40 feet hass no bearing on Cap's capabilities as Cap has his own showings.

Here you are trying to downplay Cap's acceleration by using Bucky's showings while trying to distract from the fact that Cap has a pefectly quantifiable showing available within the same scene.

Writer's intent trumps your unsupported ramblings any day. They even used clever cameraplay to conceal/exaggerate their run speeds, which unquestionably. proves the writer's intent.

He was portrayed outpacing cars in a freeway. Cars don't go 10-15 mph in a freeway. Unless you can provide proof that this was not a regular freeway, then cars move at their average speed here by default (45 mph on average). Cry all you want, but that's how it is.

You have a poor understanding of physics and reality in general if you didn't know that acceleration need not be constant. How did it happen to Bucky, you say? Can't say for sure, but if I was to speculate, then it maybe it was because Bucky didn't push himself to top speed right away until he saw them landing as he still kinda had to look to his back at times to see where they are. Ppl can run at different speeds depending on the situation and how hard they push themselves, or didn't you know that? You try running while constantly checking your back and see how easily you are able to attain your top speed.

Chances are, however, that it was most likely done for cinematography reasons, that it is most likely that they couldn't have him be too far ahead so they can show Cap and BP landing behind him from that angle and still have them be clear to the audience. They likely had to slow the cars, as well, for safety reasons.

You didn't answer anything. You came up with your own numbers by ignoring facts. You were unable to discredit ANY of the facts I brought forward and are now REFUSING to do the math (or did you and just refused to show it knowing that it destroys your entire argument?

Now, I'm not a physics major. I'm just a regular joe that loves to argue but using a basic diagram, I was able to come up with 33.333 feet/s2. That means he reaches DS in 2.75 seconds.

Here are the facts:

WS attained top speed at 0:53 (zipping past cars likely going at around 45mph)
Cap was at 0mph at 0:53
Cap and Bucky attained top equal speeds (of 55mph or 80 feet/s).
Bucky had a 40 foot head start (or so you say, but I'll take your word for it)
Cap trailed by a 100 feet by the time he attained top speed of 55mph or 80 ft/s (w/c equaled WS)
Assuming constant acceleration since we have no choice but to assume this as we have no reason to believe his acceleration fluctuated.

And it is not a question of time here, it is a question of the acceleration needed to be able to reach equal top speeds from rest while only losing a set amount of distance.

Here it is in an easy to read diagram for all of us simple laymen:

Bucky @ 0 second (80 ft/s speed, no accel) = 40 feet head start
Bucky @ 1 second (80 ft/s speed, no accel) = 120 feet travelled
Bucky @ 2 seconds (80 ft/s speed, no accel) = 200 feet travelled
Bucky @ 3 seconds (80 ft/s speed, no accel) = 280 feet travelled

Cap @ 1 second (33.33 ft/s speed, 33.33 ft/s2 accel) = 33.33 feet travelled
Cap @ 2 seconds (66.66 ft speed, 33.33 ft/s2 accel) = 100 feet traveled
Cap @ 3 seconds (capped at 80 ft/s, no accel.). = 180 feet travelled

The above diagram is completely consistent with the scene in question as welll, showing that Cap reached top velocity (reaching WS top speed) within 3 seconds (as they were in full speed pursuit by 0:56).

Feel free to correct the above diagram as I am just a humble layman and have little physics expertise but I think we should call Astner as I don't really trust your physics "expertise" at this point with all the crap you just spouted and with your refusal to accept basic facts that you have been unable to refute so far.

To correct this, a diagram of this sort won't work. You must use the basic kinematic equations of a particle moving at constant acceleration.
D = 1/2*a*t^2 (initial velocity is 0).
To calculate velocity at a given time then use
V = a*t (initial velocity is 0)

PS. You accused me of not reading your post where you stated that you "agreed with me". Yet when called out to post a quote, you have til now failed to do so. You either owe me a quote or an apology.

I'll post the math in the following post below this one. You can consult with any expert To check it out. I might not be good at debating or logic but I'm an expert with mathematics and classical mechanics. So I'm legit there.

Here's the math in more steps.

Things to know first.
1 mile = 1609.344m And 3600s = 1hr
So 1mph = 1609.344m/3600s = .44704m/s

Under constant acceleration and initial velocity = 0
D = 1/2*a*t^2 and V = a*t

Now assume Cap can reach 55mph in 4 seconds. Let's find the acceleration.

V = a*t => a = V/t = 55mph/4s = 55(.44704m/s)/4 s = 6.1468m/s^2

The distance covered in the first 4 seconds is
d = 1/2*a*t^2 = 1/2(6.1468m/s^2)(4s)^2 = 49.1744m.

So Cap gets to DS in a little over 4 seconds, assuming he can reach 55mph in 4 seconds.

ok to those who claim DeadShot shots Cap in his legs/knees , yet provide no evidence. hmmm I wonder why??? perhaps you forgot this scene here...

YouTube video

1:45 notice what happens...

2:09 notice what happens after Cap gets shot...

that is all... Remember Cap takes this...

Originally posted by BruceSkywalker
ok to those who claim DeadShot shots Cap in his legs/knees , yet provide no evidence. hmmm I wonder why??? perhaps you forgot this scene here...

YouTube video

1:45 notice what happens...

2:09 notice what happens after Cap gets shot...

that is all... Remember Cap takes this...

You know, Cap can simply tuck turtle and wait for DS to run out of bullets or redirect DS's bullets back at him which Cap actually has feats of doing (unlike DS shooting at legs)

Originally posted by Arachnid1
He got shot in the leg and knocked on his ass for a bit? DS wouldn't just stare at him like WS, he'd double tap and put a bullet in his brain right after. Not sure what point you're trying to make in that scene. It definitely doesn't help Cap. It's not like he got shot and continued on like nothing happened (like those creatures Deadshot fought did btw).

you must be part of the dumb contingent...

post from youtube or your non brain and tell us the scene(s) in which Floyd shot the zombies in the leg/knees.. next the vid shows Cap putting up the shield and crouching while being shot at? in also shows Cap having great durability and taking care of business after being shot... the zombies Floyd shoot is called cannon fodder, pure and simple.. they just stood there and did nothing..

Originally posted by FrothByte
You know, Cap can simply tuck turtle and wait for DS to run out of bullets or redirect DS's bullets back at him which Cap actually has feats of doing (unlike DS shooting at legs)

exactly...

I know the scene you are referring too

Originally posted by BruceSkywalker
you must be part of the dumb contingent...

post from youtube or your non brain and tell us the scene(s) in which Floyd shot the zombies in the leg/knees.. next the vid shows Cap putting up the shield and crouching while being shot at? in also shows Cap having great durability and taking care of business after being shot... the zombies Floyd shoot is called cannon fodder, pure and simple.. they just stood there and did nothing..

That bullet absolutely rocked Cap and left him incapacitated for more than enough time for DS to finish him off.

Originally posted by FrothByte
You know, Cap can simply tuck turtle and wait for DS to run out of bullets or redirect DS's bullets back at him which Cap actually has feats of doing (unlike DS shooting at legs)

That second scenario seems more plausible, but Floyd knows the perfect angle to deflect his own bullets off of other surfaces to still score perfect headshots. A guy who has than much control over where his individual rounds go wont get his rounds deflected back at him. This is still all assuming Floyd is going to continually open fire on the shield when that doesn't make sense since its a waste of ammo.

Originally posted by Arachnid1
[B]You're throwing out insults now? And you want me to post a scene on youtube from a movie still in theaters? Are you mentally retarded?

calm down *******....

this is the MOVIE VERSUS FORUM WHERE PEOPLE MUST USE SCREEN FEATS TO PROVE THEIR POINTS??? so dumbf^ck,,, prove Floyd shoots Cap in the legs/knees with onscreen evidence.. is that better jackass....

I have provided evidence, Nib has, Froth has... where is your evidence to say Cap gets shot and stays down....

Originally posted by Arachnid1
You're throwing out insults now? And you want me to post a scene on youtube from a movie still in theaters? Are you mentally retarded?

That bullet absolutely rocked Cap and left him incapacitated for more than enough time for DS to finish him off.

Thats assuming DS would be stupid enough to just keep on blasting nonstop. It seems more likely to me that he would wait for a shot the second Cap pokes anything out from behind the shield, and I doubt Cap is going to be able to spend the entire encounter completely behind the shield. It's an unlikely scenario. The OP also stated that they aren't aware of eachothers abilities, so Cap wouldn't know how lethal DS is with his shots. He wouldn't start off automatically turtled behind the shield.

That second scenario seems more plausible, but Floyd knows the perfect angle to deflect his own bullets off of other surfaces to still score perfect headshots. A guy who has than much control over where his individual rounds go wont get his rounds deflected back at him. This is still all assuming Floyd is going to continually open fire on the shield when that doesn't make sense since its a waste of ammo.

If they don't know anything about each other, then DS has noidea that Cap is capable of deflecting his bullets back at him. He also won't know just how fast Cap can move.

On the other hand, Cap has taken on decent shots before. Maybe none as good as DS but it would still be stupid of Cap to leave himself wide open. If he sees DS telegraph his shot towards his legs (and DS does telegraph his shots) then he'll block it.

Originally posted by h1a8
Caps acceleration was shown not faster than WS because he didn't gain ground. That means the scene can be used as evidence to compare running speeds of each character. The scene basically proves that Caps acceleration is not greater than WS's. So we can use WS acceleration as a max for Cap.

That wasn't a freeway. It was a tunnel. In rush hour traffic, cars don't move 45mph, especially when they are a few feet in front of each other. That's some serious tailgating there. But this is moot as I already given WS the speed of 55mph. So why make a long irrelevant post that doesn't help the true debate. This is more like derailing the thread. Again, I have already given WS 55mph. So please don't mention this stuff again. We would simply have to throw away the fact that Bucky traveled 40feet in 4 seconds. If Cap can reach 55mph in 4 seconds then he would have caught Bucky well before 40 feet.

now you are resorting to making stuff up. It was clear writers intentions that Bucky was running as fast as he can to get away. Let's not pretend that this situation happened in real life outside the mind of the writer. But again this is moot. Huh? I showed everything. Ok I'll redo it and show exactly where I get ALL THE NUMBERS. Trust me, I will never intentionally post wrong simple physics calculations that can be disproved and make me look like a fool. Many members here have checked my math, even consulted with an expert. I'm always legit in that domain.

Ok I understand. Well first your calculation of distance traveled is wrong. I'll prove it. Let's assume that instead of accelerating to 33.33ft/s in 1 second that Cap instantly runs at 33.33ft/s the whole first second.
That means he will cover 33.33 ft after 1 second. Now the problem is he didn't obtain the speed of 33.33ft/s until AFTER 1second. That means before the first second cap was traveling less than 33.33ft/s. That means he couldn't possibly reach 33.33ft after 1 second of running.

To correct this, a diagram of this sort won't work. You must use the basic kinematic equations of a particle moving at constant acceleration.
D = 1/2*a*t^2 (initial velocity is 0).
To calculate velocity at a given time then use
V = a*t (initial velocity is 0)

I accused you of ignoring SOME (not all) of my post. One example is, when I said that DS can lift his gun and fire in 1 second. You then preceded to show a clip that DS has poor performance when drawing his weapon. But his poor performance is irrelevant if he can still draw in a second. It didn't take him longer than a second to draw on Batman. Maybe it ain't 0.3 of a second (which is good performance) but a second is fine here. To not ignore me you must SHOW that it would take him longer than 1 second to draw and shoot. Basically what you did was equivalent to me claiming that Superman can lift a ton and you trying to refute it by showing Superman struggling with 50 tons as poor performance. I made no such claim about poor vs. good performance. My claim was only about the amount of time it would take.

I'll post the math in the following post below this one. You can consult with any expert To check it out. I might not be good at debating or logic but I'm an expert with mathematics and classical mechanics. So I'm legit there.

Hahahaha. This is golden. 😂

You claim to be an expert of math and classical mechanics. But think that one object cannot possibly have better acceleration because it didn't attain a higher top speed.

...............

No, you faux physicist, for as long as the pursuer's velocity does not exceed the pursuee's, then the pursuer will never be able to gain ground. Cap not being able to gain ground on Bucky (who has already attained his top speed while Cap has just started to run) has zero to do with his acceleration and everything to do with his max velocity.

This is basic stuff. At the very least don't trip on the basics if you're going to try to pretend to be something.

Also, good that you finally admit that I was right about the speeds. No, you didn't acknowledge it in your previous posts. In fact you were indirectly trying to downplay it when I combed thru your posts.

You claim I am "making stuff up" in response to a statement where I -specifically- said "if I was to speculate...". You know what that mean right? Yes I WAS speculating. Duh! Geez. And then in the same breath, you speculates on the writer's intentions yourself. Smh.

And just what are you trying to pull? You think:

Originally posted by h1a8
Yes he will aim at Cap's head at first. I agreed on this. Do you completely read my posts or just parts and ignore other

Means that you were referring to a completely different unrelated post to the prior sentence the accusation was following? Either you lack basic writing skills or you are lying just so you don't have to admit to an error. Either way, I pity you.

It is very telling of your character and level of maturity when you have to resort to lying and misdirection just so that you won't have to apologize for your mistake. I would mention about how such would affect your credibility around here, but I guess since you have no credibility left around here to begin with, then you have nothing to lose.

Welcome to h1 world. Where the facts are made up and the truth doesn't matter.

But yes, I will agree. My diagram was wrong. Like I said my math is rusty. No biggie. Just gonna make a little phone call to a friend of mine who teaches physics at the uni. Explained to him the scenario (told him it was about cars because didn't feel like having to explain that this was for a superhero vs forum) and provided him with the very facts that you have failed to dispute:

Originally posted by Nibedicus
Initial starting point = where Bucky is 40 feet (as you claimed) ahead.
Bucky's velocity = top speed of 55mph at least
Ending distance = 100 feet (as he was slightly behind BP) apart.
Cap's initial speed. = 0 mph
Cap's constant acceleration = X

Solve for X

Substitute Car1 for Bucky and Car2 for Cap.
With Cap's final V = Bucky

Within a few minutes, he came up with these computations, took pics and sent it to me via messenger:

https://imgur.com/a/ku0rO
https://imgur.com/a/3LvGC
https://imgur.com/a/OGWQk

Go ahead, scrutinize the math.

Until you can find fault in his computations, then THIS is the correct value using the correct evidence. This is what we will be using and I'll thank you to stop spreading the false info you've been posting.

To those who don't want to have to go thru 3 scans of the equations, it came down to: Cap accelerating at: 54.226 feet/s^2 and he reaches top speed at 1.4867 seconds

With the above figures, it becomes easy to figure out the rest.

distance covered during acceleration.
D= starting velocity + 1/2at^2 (where starting velocity = 0)
D= 1/2(54.226) (1.4867)^2
D=59.999 feet or 60 feet.

165 ft (or 50m) - 60 feet = 105 feet remaining as soon as he hits full speed of 80 ft/s.
T=d/v
T=105 feet / 80feet/sec
T = 1.3125 seconds

T=1.4867 + 1.3125
T=2.7992 seconds

Based on "feats", Cap only needs 2.7992 seconds to arrive at DS's position.

Wow. My 2.75 seconds was actually very close.

Nuff said.

Originally posted by BruceSkywalker
calm down *******....

this is the MOVIE VERSUS FORUM WHERE PEOPLE MUST USE SCREEN FEATS TO PROVE THEIR POINTS??? so dumbf^ck,,, prove Floyd shoots Cap in the legs/knees with onscreen evidence.. is that better jackass....

I have provided evidence, Nib has, Froth has... where is your evidence to say Cap gets shot and stays down....

He gets shot and stays down for a moment. He doesn't take the bullet like nothing happened.
DS can hit Cap in the groin or legs if they are exposed and he shoots at them.

Pretend you were being punished by a god and you had to choose to be one of these characters with their abilities and standard equipment in a fight to the death from 50m away. You are not going to choose Cap unless you have a death wish. Think about it. Who would you choose to be?

Originally posted by h1a8
He gets shot and stays down for a moment. He doesn't take the bullet like nothing happened.
DS can hit Cap in the groin or legs if they are exposed and he shoots at them.

Pretend you were being punished by a god and you had to choose to be one of these characters with their abilities and standard equipment in a fight to the death from 50m away. You are not going to choose Cap unless you have a death wish. Think about it. Who would you choose to be?

I'd choose to be the character who actually has feats against a similar scenario and opponent. I would NOT choose to be the marksman who's only feats are shooting at non-moving targets or non-defending targets. I'd rather be the guy who's able to block all incoming fire as long as he has his shield.

Originally posted by Nibedicus
Hahahaha. This is golden. 😂

You claim to be an expert of math and classical mechanics. But think that one object cannot possibly have better acceleration because it didn't attain a higher top speed.

...............

No, you faux physicist, for as long as the pursuer's velocity does not exceed the pursuee's, then the pursuer will never be able to gain ground. Cap not being able to gain ground on Bucky (who has already attained his top speed while Cap has just started to run) has zero to do with his acceleration and everything to do with his max velocity.

This is basic stuff. At the very least don't trip on the basics if you're going to try to pretend to be something.

Also, good that you finally admit that I was right about the speeds. No, you didn't acknowledge it in your previous posts. In fact you were indirectly trying to downplay it when I combed thru your posts.

You claim I am "making stuff up" in response to a statement where I -specifically- said "if I was to speculate...". You know what that mean right? Yes I WAS speculating. Duh! Geez. And then in the same breath, you speculates on the writer's intentions yourself. Smh.

And just what are you trying to pull? You think:

Means that you were referring to a completely different unrelated post to the prior sentence the accusation was following? Either you lack basic writing skills or you are lying just so you don't have to admit to an error. Either way, I pity you.

It is very telling of your character and level of maturity when you have to resort to lying and misdirection just so that you won't have to apologize for your mistake. I would mention about how such would affect your credibility around here, but I guess since you have no credibility left around here to begin with, then you have nothing to lose.

Welcome to h1 world. Where the facts are made up and the truth doesn't matter.

But yes, I will agree. My diagram was wrong. Like I said my math is rusty. No biggie. Just gonna make a little phone call to a friend of mine who teaches physics at the uni. Explained to him the scenario (told him it was about cars because didn't feel like having to explain that this was for a superhero vs forum) and provided him with the very facts that you have failed to dispute:

Substitute Car1 for Bucky and Car2 for Cap.
With Cap's final V = Bucky

Within a few minutes, he came up with these computations, took pics and sent it to me via messenger:

https://imgur.com/a/ku0rO
https://imgur.com/a/3LvGC
https://imgur.com/a/OGWQk

Go ahead, scrutinize the math.

Until you can find fault in his computations, then THIS is the correct value using the correct evidence. This is what we will be using and I'll thank you to stop spreading the false info you've been posting.

To those who don't want to have to go thru 3 scans of the equations, it came down to: Cap accelerating at: 54.226 feet/s^2 and he reaches top speed at 1.4867 seconds

With the above figures, it becomes easy to figure out the rest.

distance covered during acceleration.
D= starting velocity + 1/2at^2 (where starting velocity = 0)
D= 1/2(54.226) (1.4867)^2
D=59.999 feet or 60 feet.

165 ft (or 50m) - 60 feet = 105 feet remaining as soon as he hits full speed of 80 ft/s.
T=d/v
T=105 feet / 80feet/sec
T = 1.3125 seconds

T=1.4867 + 1.3125
T=2.7992 seconds

Based on "feats", Cap only needs 2.7992 seconds to arrive at DS's position.

Wow. My 2.75 seconds was actually very close.

Nuff said.

Agreed! If Cap starts running AFTER Bucky obtains full speed and if both are able to run at the same top speed then Cap will never gain ground, even with greater acceleration. My mistake.

The problem we have is that you assumed that WS reached 55mph after 40ft. I assumed that he reached 55mph AFTER 4 seconds (which still gives us a contradiction). This will give us 2 different answers for how long it takes for Cap to get to DS. Which should we use? I would say neither as I'll explain later.

There was exactly a 4 second lapse when WS reached 40ft. This is a fact. Thus that would contradict WS reaching 55mph in 40 feet with constant acceleration. WS had to reach a LOWER Speed than 55mph after traveling 40ft if he was under constant acceleration.

The math you posted is correct though. Very good!

But this would make Caps acceleration LESS than WS's.
Traveling 40ft to reach 55mph would result in an acceleration of
a = v^2 /(2d) = (80.667)^2 /(2*40) = 81.3ft/s^2.

But of course this would take WS less than 2 seconds to travel 40 ft which contradicts the movie showing of 4 seconds.

Lastly if WS accelerates at 81.3ft/s^2 then it will take 1 second of time to travel the first 40ft (not 4 seconds). Proof:
d=1/2*a*t^2 so
t = sqrt (2d/a) = sqrt(2*40/81.3) = 1second. See the contradiction?

If you look at the scene again, there will be instances where the cars are jammed up (traffic jam) and are moving significantly slower than 45mph. If you are using real life as a reference then you have to consider this as well.

Look at 0.47 when Bucky jumps down, you will see the green car ahead of the blue car by 10ft.
Also Bucky lands about 12ft in front of the white car. Yet the driver had time to react AND time to swerve out of the way. If the car was moving at 45mph (or 66ft/s) then it would take 12/66 = 0.18s to hit Bucky.

Also look at 0.56 when the camera turns right. Follow the white car. It's moving slow as shit. Then when the police come they are going faster than the other cars, even faster than Cap. I guess they were going 65-75 mph right? This is a tunnel, not an open freeway. Traffic was heavy and close in some scenes and some cars were moving slowly and able to respond to 12ft of distance instantly.

My estimate is about 4s (which is still super human). Yours is 2.8s. But DS can still hit Cap in less than 2.8s. So all this debating is moot if you think about it.

Nibedicus I apologize to you for my accusation. I'm very sorry. I got mixed up because I was addressing other poster's arguments. I did agree that DS will first aim at Caps head. But it wasn't to you. I just Reread the posts and I didn't mention I agreed to you. So you are right.

Originally posted by h1a8

My estimate is about 4s (which is still super human). Yours is 2.8s. But DS can still hit Cap in less than 2.8s. So all this debating is moot if you think about it.

And Cap can still block DS's shots even if it takes him 4s. Because, unlike DS, Cap actually has feats of doing so.

Originally posted by h1a8
Agreed! If Cap starts running AFTER Bucky obtains full speed and if both are able to run at the same top speed then Cap will never gain ground, even with greater acceleration. My mistake.

The problem we have is that you assumed that WS reached 55mph after 40ft. I assumed that he reached 55mph AFTER 4 seconds (which still gives us a contradiction). This will give us 2 different answers for how long it takes for Cap to get to DS. Which should we use? I would say neither as I'll explain later.

There was exactly a 4 second lapse when WS reached 40ft. This is a fact. Thus that would contradict WS reaching 55mph in 40 feet with constant acceleration. WS had to reach a LOWER Speed than 55mph after traveling 40ft if he was under constant acceleration.

The math you posted is correct though. Very good!

But this would make Caps acceleration LESS than WS's.
Traveling 40ft to reach 55mph would result in an acceleration of
a = v^2 /(2d) = (80.667)^2 /(2*40) = 81.3ft/s^2.

But of course this would take WS less than 2 seconds to travel 40 ft which contradicts the movie showing of 4 seconds.

Lastly if WS accelerates at 81.3ft/s^2 then it will take 1 second of time to travel the first 40ft (not 4 seconds). Proof:
d=1/2*a*t^2 so
t = sqrt (2d/a) = sqrt(2*40/81.3) = 1second. See the contradiction?

If you look at the scene again, there will be instances where the cars are jammed up (traffic jam) and are moving significantly slower than 45mph. If you are using real life as a reference then you have to consider this as well.

Look at 0.47 when Bucky jumps down, you will see the green car ahead of the blue car by 10ft.
Also Bucky lands about 12ft in front of the white car. Yet the driver had time to react AND time to swerve out of the way. If the car was moving at 45mph (or 66ft/s) then it would take 12/66 = 0.18s to hit Bucky.

Also look at 0.56 when the camera turns right. Follow the white car. It's moving slow as shit. Then when the police come they are going faster than the other cars, even faster than Cap. I guess they were going 65-75 mph right? This is a tunnel, not an open freeway. Traffic was heavy and close in some scenes and some cars were moving slowly and able to respond to 12ft of distance instantly.

My estimate is about 4s (which is still super human). Yours is 2.8s. But DS can still hit Cap in less than 2.8s. So all this debating is moot if you think about it.

You are attaching yourself to Bucky's acceleration when it is irrelevant.

He has already attained full speed right as Cap was still landing. It is always going to be his top speed vs Cap's acceleration needed to equalize speeds vs the starting distance and end distance as per the equation I posted.

And yes, Bucky being able to attain a sudden higher acceleration from a slow start isn't impossible or even surprising, objects/characters/etc need not have constant acceleration. They can have bursts of speed like any person or thing (electric cars have sudden acceleration while internal combustion engines need quite a bit more time to attain top speed) w/c would be depending on his level of focus on running as well as the effort he exerts. We use constant acceleration computations in order to determine acceleration within the specific scene in question, not to establish maximums for all other scenes. <------This is very very important.

There is no contradiction here. You cannot attach yourself to the idea that they can only have constant acceleration. Their acceleration can be constant or can come in bursts. Whichever does not contradict writer's intent is what we use.

And tunnels in Germany have a speed limit of 80-100 kph (50-60mph), so my assesment of 45 mph is quite fair. Plus it is backed by the Audi commercial I posted earlier. The family was driving 45 mph cruising in the exact same freeway they shot the Civil War chase scene. There was no jam, the speed should be consistent with any average liesurely drive thru a tunnel. Not fast, mind you as 45 mph isn't exactly that fast.

They "look" slow because they were likely slowed down for safety and for cameraplay to tell the story (ppl can't really run 55mph, so they had to slow the cars down to create the illusion that they were outrunning the cars). What we know is that this was not a busy freeway (as even at full speed, the pursuit police vehicles wasn't exactly zipping thru cars w/c they would had the cars been moving slow).

It is obvious that the writer wanted to create a superhero-esque car chase scene. Which is a car chase without the cars.

Why are we even discussing the speed of the cars now when you just recently accepted the speeds to be correct? Are you taking back what you said now?

Originally posted by h1a8
Nibedicus I apologize to you for my accusation. I'm very sorry. I got mixed up because I was addressing other poster's arguments. I did agree that DS will first aim at Caps head. But it wasn't to you. I just Reread the posts and I didn't mention I agreed to you. So you are right.

You know what, h1? I can respect that. I may have come down a little harsh on you earlier. For that, I apologize. For as long as you debate respectfully, I will reciprocate.

Anyway, we need to put the speed debate to a close so we can move forward. Else, we risk going in circles (w/c I am already beginning to see).

Originally posted by h1a8
He gets shot and stays down for a moment. He doesn't take the bullet like nothing happened.
DS can hit Cap in the groin or legs if they are exposed and he shoots at them.

Pretend you were being punished by a god and you had to choose to be one of these characters with their abilities and standard equipment in a fight to the death from 50m away. You are not going to choose Cap unless you have a death wish. Think about it. Who would you choose to be?

you continue to be dumb... Cap won;t be getting shot there either.. PROVE IT WITH ACTUAL FACTS ...