Deadshot vs. Captain America

Originally posted by FrothByte
Dude, don't blame me for not understanding your post. You don't exactly write the most coherent posts. Even if you did correct yourself, you didn't give me the entire corrected context. So calm down, all I'm trying to do is clarify.

With that said, I'm glad we now agree that DS DIDN'T shoot anyone who was actively trying to avoid his shots.

You can ask your question now.

Dude there can be no misunderstanding when I use totally opposite meaning words. How could they both elicit the same contrarian question for scenes? How could that even be a misunderstanding? Then I further correct myself, and then you're still confused? Very strange indeed.

I'm not going to quote my own post, you're a big boy, go up and read the question.

Kt's incoherent posts strike again.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Dude there can be no misunderstanding when I use totally opposite meaning words. How could they both elicit the same contrarian question for scenes? How could that even be a misunderstanding? Then I further correct myself, and then you're still confused? Very strange indeed.

I'm not going to quote my own post, you're a big boy, go up and read the question.

You posted an ambiguous question. You need to learn how to be concise with your statements. That way there can be no misunderstanding.

If you don't want to ask your question that's fine. I'm just glad that you agreed that DS never shot anyone who tried to avoid getting shot.

Kt went up against one skilled foe and he lost without wounding batman at all. Pathetic.

Originally posted by FrothByte
You posted an ambiguous question. You need to learn how to be concise with your statements. That way there can be no misunderstanding.

If you don't want to ask your question that's fine. I'm just glad that you agreed that DS never shot anyone who tried to avoid getting shot.

Scroll up and answer the question already. I don't need to hold you hand through it. You know how to use your mouse and scroll. I'll await your answer.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Scroll up and answer the question already. I don't need to hold you hand through it. You know how to use your mouse and scroll. I'll await your answer.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Scroll up and answer the question already. I don't need to hold you hand through it. You know how to use your mouse and scroll. I'll await your answer.

I checked back, your question can be interpreted in multiple ways. Are you really telling me you're unwilling to clarify your question? I'm not asking you to repeat your question because I want to be a jerk. I'm asking you to clarify your question so that we can avoid further misunderstandings.

If you don't want to ask then fine. Not my loss.

P.S. - You can scroll up as much as you want, you won't find your question in this page. You need to actually click back on previous pages. That's how you use your mouse.

Originally posted by FrothByte
I scrolled up, your question was a jumble of multiple questions. Are you really telling me you're unwilling to clarify your question? I'm not asking you to repeat your question because I want to be a jerk. I'm asking you to clarify your question so that we can avoid further misunderstandings.

If you don't want to ask then fine. Not my loss.

P.S. - You can scroll up as much as you want, you won't find your question in this page. You need to click back to the last page.

Kt doesn't even know what he asked. I'd put money on it. His sentences are an incoherent mess.

Originally posted by FrothByte
I checked back, your question can be interpreted in multiple ways. Are you really telling me you're unwilling to clarify your question? I'm not asking you to repeat your question because I want to be a jerk. I'm asking you to clarify your question so that we can avoid further misunderstandings.

If you don't want to ask then fine. Not my loss.

P.S. - You can scroll up as much as you want, you won't find your question in this page. You need to actually click back on previous pages. That's how you use your mouse.

Right because you continually avoided the question time after time and then pouted because you didn't like my answers. Even when I agreed mostly with your premise. That is my issue. If you would've answered the question right away, it wouldn't be two pages back already.

Further, here's what we know and the question. We know that Cap can't cover his entire body with his shield. We also know that in order for him to win, he needs to close the distance in this fight. Thus exposing some parts of his body. Now my question is, what makes you believe Deadshot will miss these openings? It seems he's one of the best marksman we've ever seen. It should be much more probable he will connect that he'll miss. That is what logic tell us. You seem to be saying he'll likely not be able to hit those small openings. How do you take that stance when he has proven he'll hit vastly more than he'll miss?

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Right because you continually avoided the question time after time and then pouted because you didn't like my answers. Even when I agreed mostly with your premise. That is my issue. If you would've answered the question right away, it wouldn't be two pages back already.

Further, here's what we know and the question. We know that Cap can't cover his entire body with his shield. We also know that in order for him to win, he needs to close the distance in this fight. Thus exposing some parts of his body. Now my question is, what makes you believe Deadshot will miss these openings? It seems he's one of the best marksman we've ever seen. It should be much more probable he will connect that he'll miss. That is what logic tell us. You seem to be saying he'll likely not be able to hit those small openings. How do you take that stance when he has proven he'll hit vastly more than he'll miss?

That's easy. He'll probably miss due to the fact that all of his shooting feats involve him shooting at a target who's not actively avoiding getting shot. Even you agreed that he didn't have these feats.

So in a battle of feats, DS just loses. Cap has feats of him blocking bullets multiple times from multiple enemies. DS has zero feats of even shooting someone trying to avoid his shots.

You taking for granted that he'll never miss is pretty much no limits fallacy. That's not allowed here.

Is kt basically still arguing that DS fires magic bullets and thus Cap won't be able to block them, even though he has multiple bullet blocking feats?

Originally posted by Silent Master
Is kt basically still arguing that DS fires magic bullets and thus Cap won't be able to block them, even though he has multiple bullet blocking feats?

It's possible that DS can hit Cap with the kind of shot they describe. Problem is they have no feats to back it up whereas Cap does have feats.

Originally posted by FrothByte
That's easy. He'll probably miss due to the fact that all of his shooting feats involve him shooting at a target who's not actively avoiding getting shot. Even you agreed that he didn't have these feats.

So in a battle of feats, DS just loses. Cap has feats of him blocking bullets multiple times from multiple enemies. DS has zero feats of even shooting someone trying to avoid his shots.

You taking for granted that he'll never miss is pretty much no limits fallacy. That's not allowed here.

See, that isn't how things work here. You're trying to conflate him not having targets with active defense, thus trying to say he can't be able to hit somebody with active defense. That is the definition of an illogical stance. You're trying to prove your conclusion without doing the deductive logical work. You need to do that work Before you reach conclusion, not trying and reverse produce those results. That is exactly what you're doing here.

You keep going back to this, active defense thing, and that has little to no bearing on this fight. Nobody disagrees that Cap can cover most of his body. Thus exhibiting some defense. He can and will also likely move some, and again, that is aiding to his defense. What that WON'T do, is take away openings that DS has. Regardless of the method Cap tries when closing the distance... SOME parts WILL be exposed. Period, end of story. Thus, it comes down to the following and nothing is more important when determining the conclusion here, and vastly more important than him engaging people with active defense.

Has DS proven he can hit the small tight openings more times than he's proven to miss. THAT and THAT ALONE is the main determining factor on whether he'll be able to hit Cap's small openings. Thus, the question becomes and I'd like to see your answer here.... Based on feats... has DS proven he'll likely hit small opening or has he proven he'll likely miss small openings?

Are you really saying that Cap's ability to block doesn't matter?

Originally posted by FrothByte
It's possible that DS can hit Cap with the kind of shot they describe. Problem is they have no feats to back it up whereas Cap does have feats.

Cap has ZERO feats blocking somebody with the aim of DS. Nobody, not a single person. Further, you keep citing Cap blocking gun fire... that isn't impressive. THEY SHOT RIGHT AT HIM. That isn't the least bit impressive. It's called CIS or PIS.. I don't care what you pick. When you see Cap charging at somebody and you can VISIBLY see openings in his legs or head... Yet they continually shot right at his chest and shield.... THAT ISN'T IMPRESSIVE, that's called CRAPPY AIM OR CIS/PIS. None of which will apply to DS here.

DS simply will burst fire strategically placed bullets and Cap won't be able to block them all. It's really that simple.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Cap has ZERO feats blocking somebody with the aim of DS. Nobody, not a single person. Further, you keep citing Cap blocking gun fire... that isn't impressive. THEY SHOT RIGHT AT HIM. That isn't the least bit impressive. It's called CIS or PIS.. I don't care what you pick. When you see Cap charging at somebody and you can VISIBLY see openings in his legs or head... Yet they continually shot right at his chest and shield.... THAT ISN'T IMPRESSIVE, that's called CRAPPY AIM OR CIS/PIS. None of which will apply to DS here.

DS simply will burst fire strategically placed bullets and Cap won't be able to block them all. It's really that simple.

DS has zero feats of shooting someone with Cap's history of blocking bullets.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Are you really saying that Cap's ability to block doesn't matter?

No what I'm saying is... It wont' matter that he can block.. there will be SMALL openings for DS to exploit. That and THAT alone is the biggest factor here. Nobody said Cap being able to block won't help him take less fire. Of course it will. However, what is EXPONENTIALLY proven is... When Cap is moving forward trying to close the distance... parts are exposed. Period. If somebody disagrees, we can post clips of all the times Cap is blocking and trying to close the distance how many times parts were exposed and how many times nothing was exposed. It would be a one sided raping on my part. An easy win. Parts are exposed. So the most pertinent question isn't.. will Cap blocking help some.... no... the question is.. is DS more likely to hit those openings or miss. The unquestionable answer is, he's more likely to hit them than miss. Period. We can also compare all the times DS exhibited great marksman ship compared to the times he didn't. THAT determines what is probable here.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Cap has ZERO feats blocking somebody with the aim of DS. Nobody, not a single person. Further, you keep citing Cap blocking gun fire... that isn't impressive. THEY SHOT RIGHT AT HIM. That isn't the least bit impressive. It's called CIS or PIS.. I don't care what you pick. When you see Cap charging at somebody and you can VISIBLY see openings in his legs or head... Yet they continually shot right at his chest and shield.... THAT ISN'T IMPRESSIVE, that's called CRAPPY AIM OR CIS/PIS. None of which will apply to DS here.

DS simply will burst fire strategically placed bullets and Cap won't be able to block them all. It's really that simple.

Does Cap have feats of blocking someone with DS's aim? No. But neither does DS have feats of shooting someone as physically enhanced as Cap. So in that, they are equal.

What gives Cap the advantage though is this:

DS has no feats of shooting ANYONE that was actively trying to avoid getting shot. Whereas Cap has multiple feats of blocking shots from people who were trying to shoot him.

See the difference?

IOW, you are saying that Cap's ability to block doesn't matter.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
See, that isn't how things work here. You're trying to conflate him not having targets with active defense, thus trying to say he can't be able to hit somebody with active defense. That is the definition of an illogical stance. You're trying to prove your conclusion without doing the deductive logical work. You need to do that work Before you reach conclusion, not trying and reverse produce those results. That is exactly what you're doing here.

You keep going back to this, active defense thing, and that has little to no bearing on this fight. Nobody disagrees that Cap can cover most of his body. Thus exhibiting some defense. He can and will also likely move some, and again, that is aiding to his defense. What that WON'T do, is take away openings that DS has. Regardless of the method Cap tries when closing the distance... SOME parts WILL be exposed. Period, end of story. Thus, it comes down to the following and nothing is more important when determining the conclusion here, and vastly more important than him engaging people with active defense.

Has DS proven he can hit the small tight openings more times than he's proven to miss. THAT and THAT ALONE is the main determining factor on whether he'll be able to hit Cap's small openings. Thus, the question becomes and I'd like to see your answer here.... Based on feats... has DS proven he'll likely hit small opening or has he proven he'll likely miss small openings?

What I'm going back to is that there's no proof that DS has 100% accuracy against opponents who are trying to not get hit. That's not even taking into account Cap's shield whom, again, DS has never faced against anything similar. Then add to that that he'll only have 2-4 seconds to make those shots while being on the defense against ricochets and his probability of hitting Cap just goes way down.

In the end, you just don't have the proof to show that he can make such a shot.