Deadshot vs. Captain America

Originally posted by 0mega Spawn
What a shitty argument.

DS is a ****ing marksman period.
He had enough precision to to burn holes through targets. Do you know how impressive that is to do? let alone do consecutively.

He even ricocheted a bullet into the back of a target's head.

Gunned down a mob of monsters with ease.

Cap gets knecapped plain and simple

I'm just using H1's argument. Cap has some ridiculous feats with his shield, including blocking all incoming gunfire and even ricocheting bullets back at the gunmen. But according to H1 because Cap doesn't have a specific feat where he blocks shot to the legs at a specific distance while running forward, he won't be able to do that here

By that logic then DS also won't be able to shoot Cap in the legs because he has no feats of doing so

You can't apply a double standard here. Either we go by feats alone or we include implied skill. Which will it be?

What it will be is a kneecappin

Originally posted by 0mega Spawn
What it will be is a kneecappin

Guess you didn't want to answer the question. Guess you basically admitted to applying a double standard.

Originally posted by quanchi112
So you don't take into account Cap's skills and withers showings. Lol.

What's withers showings?

The reality is this, and there is no getting around this point. A marksman is a marksman. You're only a marksman at stationary targets. To be a good shot you need excellent eye sight, excellent concentration and steadiness among other factors. You don't just lose those qualities because the targets are all of sudden moving. It's just crazy some of the things being asserted in this thread.

Yea... it's crazy to assume that someone with a long history of blocking bullets would suddenly lose that ability when facing a DC character.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
What's withers showings?

Originally posted by 0mega Spawn
What it will be is a kneecappin

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
The reality is this, and there is no getting around this point. A marksman is a marksman. You're only a marksman at stationary targets. To be a good shot you need excellent eye sight, excellent concentration and steadiness among other factors. You don't just lose those qualities because the targets are all of sudden moving. It's just crazy some of the things being asserted in this thread.

Only a dimwit thinks that shooting at moving targets is the same as shooting stationary targets.

Excellent concentration and steadiness is also greatly affected by pressure and stress. Things that are not quite as evident when shooting inanimate objects not coming to knock you out within 2-4 seconds

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
The reality is this, and there is no getting around this point. A marksman is a marksman. You're only a marksman at stationary targets. To be a good shot you need excellent eye sight, excellent concentration and steadiness among other factors. You don't just lose those qualities because the targets are all of sudden moving. It's just crazy some of the things being asserted in this thread.

Originally posted by FrothByte
Only a dimwit thinks that shooting at moving targets is the same as shooting stationary targets.

Excellent concentration and steadiness is also greatly affected by pressure and stress. Things that are not quite as evident when shooting inanimate objects not coming to knock you out within 2-4 seconds

Point to where I said they are the same? Nobody is saying they are the same. You're guys are CONFLATING the fact that he's a Marksman, but that doesn't count because the targets will now be moving. Do you how asinine that sounds? Dude, this guy is a crazy hot, he's the best marksman I've seen, but he's mostly shot stationary targets.... Oh that's it... just stationary? oh okay, well since these guys are moving he isn't the person for the job. It's simply ludicrous and idiotic to use that logical line of thinking. If you can hit the bullseye over and over in the exact same hole... Do you think somehow because the target is moving... his aim all of sudden because crappy? It's mindblowing the idiocy being perpetuated in this thread. YES IT WILL BE HARDER.... BUT HE'S A DAMN MARKSMAN... ONE OF THE BEST WE'VE SEEN IN CINEMA. Yet, somehow because the target is moving... he's not anymore? That levels of reaching and stupidity in this thread is mind blowing. Think about it.

It's like picking who you want shooting this person to kill them. You have one guy who's the best in the word at hitting targets. He's the best marksman we've seen. Not just stationary targets though... but targets moving a little. Just not actively trying to avoid stuff with great skill. THEN there's this gangbanger who's become pretty good and hitting moving targets and has more experience shooting at running targets. Yeah, I'll still pick the marksman every single time. Same thing here, DS is much more likely to hit the small openings he finds than miss. It's really that simple

Originally posted by quanchi112
His other showings.

Which Wither's Showings do you speak of?

Originally posted by FrothByte
I'm just using H1's argument. Cap has some ridiculous feats with his shield, including blocking all incoming gunfire and even ricocheting bullets back at the gunmen. But according to H1 because Cap doesn't have a specific feat where he blocks shot to the legs at a specific distance while running forward, he won't be able to do that here

By that logic then DS also won't be able to shoot Cap in the legs because he has no feats of doing so

You can't apply a double standard here. Either we go by feats alone or we include implied skill. Which will it be?

Cap can block his legs while moving forward. I said, that HE WON'T because he wouldn't know if the shooter is aiming for his legs or his head.
He would cover the most vital area (which is his head).

Of course Cap can fight stupidly and block his legs and allow DS to hit him in the head. Is that what you want?

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Point to where I said they are the same? Nobody is saying they are the same. You're guys are CONFLATING the fact that he's a Marksman, but that doesn't count because the targets will now be moving. Do you how asinine that sounds? Dude, this guy is a crazy hot, he's the best marksman I've seen, but he's mostly shot stationary targets.... Oh that's it... just stationary? oh okay, well since these guys are moving he isn't the person for the job. It's simply ludicrous and idiotic to use that logical line of thinking. If you can hit the bullseye over and over in the exact same hole... Do you think somehow because the target is moving... his aim all of sudden because crappy? It's mindblowing the idiocy being perpetuated in this thread. YES IT WILL BE HARDER.... BUT HE'S A DAMN MARKSMAN... ONE OF THE BEST WE'VE SEEN IN CINEMA. Yet, somehow because the target is moving... he's not anymore? That levels of reaching and stupidity in this thread is mind blowing. Think about it.

It's like picking who you want shooting this person to kill them. You have one guy who's the best in the word at hitting targets. He's the best marksman we've seen. Not just stationary targets though... but targets moving a little. Just not actively trying to avoid stuff with great skill. THEN there's this gangbanger who's become pretty good and hitting moving targets and has more experience shooting at running targets. Yeah, I'll still pick the marksman every single time. Same thing here, DS is much more likely to hit the small openings he finds than miss. It's really that simple

" To be a good shot you need excellent eye sight, excellent concentration and steadiness among other factors. You don't just lose those qualities because the targets are all of sudden moving. It's just crazy some of the things being asserted in this thread"

You've never shot a gun or bow have you? Ever tried hunting? Heck, ever used a slingshot?

Hitting a stationary target will always be easier than hitting a moving target. You cannot say a person will hit a moving target just because he never misses in the target range.

Originally posted by h1a8
Cap can block his legs while moving forward. I said, that HE WON'T because he wouldn't know if the shooter is aiming for his legs or his head.
He would cover the most vital area (which is his head).

Of course Cap can fight stupidly and block his legs and allow DS to hit him in the head. Is that what you want?

So how do you explain all the times that Cap did block sshots to his legs? I recall 2 specific instances. And IIRC both times he coveres his legs and head and torso.

You know Cap can just tuck turtle and ricochet DS's bullets back at him right? How's DS gonna block those?

Originally posted by Silent Master
Yea... it's crazy to assume that someone with a long history of blocking bullets would suddenly lose that ability when facing a DC character.

Him blocking bullets from a distance to the torso has absolutely no bearing of whether he has the ability to discern a head shot from a leg shot from a distance. If every shooter has always aimed at his torso then their is no evidence of what he could have done if they aimed at his legs. Thus he doesn't have that ability.

Originally posted by FrothByte
So how do you explain all the times that Cap did block sshots to his legs? I recall 2 specific instances. And IIRC both times he coveres his legs and head and torso.

You know Cap can just tuck turtle and ricochet DS's bullets back at him right? How's DS gonna block those?

He never blocked a leg shot when the shooter was at a distance of 50m or beyond WHILE MOVING FORWARD.

Cap will not turtle against DS. He would do exactly what he does in the movies (charge the shooter).

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
What's withers showings?

His nonexistant argument is definitely withering

Originally posted by h1a8
He never blocked a leg shot when the shooter was at a distance of 50m or beyond WHILE MOVING FORWARD.

Cap will not turtle against DS. He would do exactly what he does in the movies (charge the shooter).

And DS never shot anyone in the legs, much less a moving target, much less a target actively blocking and dodging his shot.

Or are you applying a double standard? Where Cap is only limited by feats but DS is not?

Also, Cap tucked turtle and ricocheted bullets in the movies. So not sure why you don't think he'll do so here. He actually has feats to support these actions, whereas DS has none.

Originally posted by Robtard
His nonexistant argument is definitely withering

LOL. I thought he was referencing the old movie wuthering heights, but then I realized, that movie is a little too cultured for him. Not possible. Your explanation sounds more plausible.