Deadshot vs. Captain America

Originally posted by FrothByte
" To be a good shot you need excellent eye sight, excellent concentration and steadiness among other factors. You don't just lose those qualities because the targets are all of sudden moving. It's just crazy some of the things being asserted in this thread"

You've never shot a gun or bow have you? Ever tried hunting? Heck, ever used a slingshot?

Hitting a stationary target will always be easier than hitting a moving target. You cannot say a person will hit a moving target just because he never misses in the target range.

Are you purposely this bad at debating? I asking honestly here. Why do you keep mentioning that hitting a moving target is harder. When has anybody questioned that? Repeating that over and over again, trying to make it seem like we've disagreed with that, shows how poorly your stance truly is. So let me ask you... Since being a marksman requires excellent eye sight, excellent control of movements and steadiness among things. So if you're really good at that... does shooting at a moving target make those things not true... and all of a sudden he has bad eye sight etc etc? Is that your stance? If not, I have yet to actually hear a decent argument from you.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Are you purposely this bad at debating? I asking honestly here. Why do you keep mentioning that hitting a moving target is harder. When has anybody questioned that? Repeating that over and over again, trying to make it seem like we've disagreed with that, shows how poorly your stance truly is. So let me ask you... Since being a marksman requires excellent eye sight, excellent control of movements and steadiness among things. So if you're really good at that... does shooting at a moving target make those things not true... and all of a sudden he has bad eye sight etc etc? Is that your stance? If not, I have yet to actually hear a decent argument from you.

The difference between me and you, KT, is that I actually try and debate with you. Answer your arguments. Whereas all you do is say stuff like "You're a crappy debater. You are wrong. Etc".

And to answer your question, yes, eye coordination and sight, steadiness and control of movements will all change depending on how far or near the target is and how fast something is moving and how high stress a situation is.

Heck get a target and put it 1 meter in front of you, then get the target and put it 300 m from you. Now tell me the successfullness of your eyesight doesn't change?

Originally posted by FrothByte
The difference between me and you, KT, is that I actually try and debate with you. Answer your arguments. Whereas all you do is say stuff like "You're a crappy debater. You are wrong. Etc".

And to answer your question, yes, eye coordination and sight, steadiness and control of movements will all change depending on how far or near the target is and how fast something is moving and how high stress a situation is.

Heck get a target and put it 1 meter in front of you, then get the target and put it 300 m from you. Now tell me the successfullness of your eyesight doesn't change?

You did the same thing again... WE KNOW IT'S HARDER TO HIT A MOVING TARGET. JESUS. I just said all you keep doing is repeating that, and you just repeat it AGAIN. I mean come on Froth. What I'm saying is, just because it's harder to do something... doesn't mean all of a sudden he's a poor marksman. Or just because the target is moving... now is awesome eye sight and steadiness goes out the window and he becomes blind in one eye. That is basically what you're saying here and it's ludicrous. he's good, probably one of the best I've seen. Why would I assume he'll somehow become an average shot because the target is moving? That is what you're saying here.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Which Wither's Showings do you speak of?

Huh? Which withers showings do you speak of? You brought it up, I'm asking for the feats you were referring to there.

Bill Withers

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Huh? Which withers showings do you speak of? You brought it up, I'm asking for the feats you were referring to there.

Concession accepted.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Concession accepted.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
You did the same thing again... WE KNOW IT'S HARDER TO HIT A MOVING TARGET. JESUS. I just said all you keep doing is repeating that, and you just repeat it AGAIN. I mean come on Froth. What I'm saying is, just because it's harder to do something... doesn't mean all of a sudden he's a poor marksman. Or just because the target is moving... now is awesome eye sight and steadiness goes out the window and he becomes blind in one eye. That is basically what you're saying here and it's ludicrous. he's good, probably one of the best I've seen. Why would I assume he'll somehow become an average shot because the target is moving? That is what you're saying here.

You're not understanding what I'm saying. You keep insisting on your own interpretation of what I say. The reason I keep repeating it is because you never understand.

I don't claim that DS is a poor marksman. I'm saying he's only shown to be a superb marksman against stationary targets or targets not actively trying to avoid getting hit.

Against someone who has a shield and is running and is actively dodging, he has ZERO feats and his feats against stationary targets aren't exactly applicable.

Originally posted by FrothByte
You're not understanding what I'm saying. You keep insisting on your own interpretation of what I say. The reason I keep repeating it is because you never understand.

I don't claim that DS is a poor marksman. I'm saying he's only shown to be a superb marksman against stationary targets or targets not actively trying to avoid getting hit.

Against someone who has a shield and is running and is actively dodging, he has ZERO feats and his feats against stationary targets aren't exactly applicable.

Originally posted by FrothByte
And DS never shot anyone in the legs, much less a moving target, much less a target actively blocking and dodging his shot.

Or are you applying a double standard? Where Cap is only limited by feats but DS is not?

Also, Cap tucked turtle and ricocheted bullets in the movies. So not sure why you don't think he'll do so here. He actually has feats to support these actions, whereas DS has none.

It was under specific circumstances where Cap turtled. This fight won't have those circumstances. His character is to rush a lone shooter if he's standing with hand in shield. Otherwise he would have ALWAYS OR MOSTLY applied that tactic.

He never ricochet bullets while turtled, can you post the scene where he did this ricocheting of bullets?

h1a8 doesn't understand how moving works.

Originally posted by h1a8
Cap's upper legs and groin will be stationary. They will not be moving out of the way of the line of sight.

It was under specific circumstances where Cap turtled. This fight won't have those circumstances. His character is to rush a lone shooter if he's standing with hand in shield. Otherwise he would have ALWAYS OR MOSTLY applied that tactic.

He never ricochet bullets while turtled, can you post the scene where he did this ricocheting of bullets?

No one takes you seriously.

Originally posted by Silent Master
h1a8 doesn't understand how moving works.

Your posts say otherwise.

Originally posted by h1a8
Yeah I do.

Originally posted by h1a8
Cap's upper legs and groin will be stationary. They will not be moving out of the way of the line of sight.

It was under specific circumstances where Cap turtled. This fight won't have those circumstances. His character is to rush a lone shooter if he's standing with hand in shield. Otherwise he would have ALWAYS OR MOSTLY applied that tactic.

He never ricochet bullets while turtled, can you post the scene where he did this ricocheting of bullets?

So legs aren't moving while you're running? That's about as dumb as you saying DS never misses because he has magical powers. I understand you now h1. You are simply trolling us. There's no other explanation for such stupid statements like you make. No one could be this stupid.

Originally posted by FrothByte
So legs aren't moving while you're running? That's about as dumb as you saying DS never misses because he has magical powers. I understand you now h1. You are simply trolling us. There's no other explanation for such stupid statements like you make. No one could be this stupid.

Originally posted by FrothByte
You're not understanding what I'm saying. You keep insisting on your own interpretation of what I say. The reason I keep repeating it is because you never understand.

I don't claim that DS is a poor marksman. I'm saying he's only shown to be a superb marksman against stationary targets or targets not actively trying to avoid getting hit.

Against someone who has a shield and is running and is actively dodging, he has ZERO feats and his feats against stationary targets aren't exactly applicable.

You just repeated it AGAIN. Just because the target is moving DOESN'T all of a sudden make him a poor marksman. That is essentially what you're saying. Think about it, you go, well DS has only shown to be superb against mostly stationary targets; thus since Cap will be moving, we don't know how he'll do. That is Exactly what you're saying, and it's simply ludicrous. No, we do know, we know he's STILL a great marksman whether it be against a moving target or a stationary one, he's still a great marksman. The only difference is, one is harder to accomplish than the other, but that doesn't make him a poor marksman at a moving target. Absolutely not, he'd still have great eye sight, he'd still be precise, he'd still be calm cool and collected, he'd still have a steady hand. Only difference is, now it will be harder to do, okay, cool, he's still a great marksman. Period. I'll side with that every time over your argument of... Well yeah, he's a great marksman but I've never seen him doing against somebody like Cap. Your whole argument is one big logical fallacy to begin with. It's not even a sound argument. Jesus