Deadshot vs. Captain America

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
You just repeated it AGAIN. Just because the target is moving DOESN'T all of a sudden make him a poor marksman. That is essentially what you're saying. Think about it, you go, well DS has only shown to be superb against mostly stationary targets; thus since Cap will be moving, we don't know how he'll do. That is Exactly what you're saying, and it's simply ludicrous. No, we do know, we know he's STILL a great marksman whether it be against a moving target or a stationary one, he's still a great marksman. The only difference is, one is harder to accomplish than the other, but that doesn't make him a poor marksman at a moving target. Absolutely not, he'd still have great eye sight, he'd still be precise, he'd still be calm cool and collected, he'd still have a steady hand. Only difference is, now it will be harder to do, okay, cool, he's still a great marksman. Period. I'll side with that every time over your argument of... Well yeah, he's a great marksman but I've never seen him doing against somebody like Cap. Your whole argument is one big logical fallacy to begin with. It's not even a sound argument. Jesus

And I'll keep repeating it until you remove your blinds and actually understand what it is I'm trying to say. A Wushu world champion at doing forms doesn't necessarily translate to the best street fighter in the world. Shooting targets is different from shooting moving targets is different from shooting targets who can defend themselves.

Let me put in this way.

Take the highest ranking Olympic archer in the world today. These guys almost never miss the 10 point bullseye. Do you think he'll be easily capable of hitting the heart of a running deer within 5 seconds? Do you think this archer can easily hit the heart of a bull charging at him?

Cap gets shot dead... Deadshot does the shooting

Not if Cap blocks with his shield.

Originally posted by 0mega Spawn
Cap gets shot dead... Deadshot does the shooting

Originally posted by FrothByte
And I'll keep repeating it until you remove your blinds and actually understand what it is I'm trying to say. A Wushu world champion at doing forms doesn't necessarily translate to the best street fighter in the world. Shooting targets is different from shooting moving targets is different from shooting targets who can defend themselves.

Let me put in this way.

Take the highest ranking Olympic archer in the world today. These guys almost never miss the 10 point bullseye. Do you think he'll be easily capable of hitting the heart of a running deer within 5 seconds? Do you think this archer can easily hit the heart of a bull charging at him?

Your fighting analogy is so far off, it's not even worth commenting on.

Your archer analogy proves my point. YES, I think he would be quite capable of doing so. More so than any average person would be able to. Which again is the point. Just because a target is moving, doesn't make somebody who's superb at stationary targets... all of a sudden bad at aim because it's moving. THE SAME CHARECTERISTICS that make one good at hitting stationary targets also apply to moving ones. True or False?

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Your fighting analogy is so far off, it's not even worth commenting on.

Your archer analogy proves my point. YES, I think he would be quite capable of doing so. More so than any average person would be able to. Which again is the point. Just because a target is moving, doesn't make somebody who's superb at stationary targets... all of a sudden bad at aim because it's moving. THE SAME CHARECTERISTICS that make one good at hitting stationary targets also apply to moving ones. True or False?

Are you really telling me that hitting a stationary target involves just the same amount of skill and coordination as hitting a moving target??? Seriously??

That's probably the stupidest thing you've ever said in these forums. Ok, well maybe not as stupid as saying time stops while you're in the middle of a fight so that you have the time to analyze each and every option available to you... but it's close. You clearly know as much about archery and guns as you know about fighting: NONE.

Originally posted by FrothByte
Are you really telling me that hitting a stationary target involves just the same amount of skill and coordination as hitting a moving target??? Seriously??

That's probably the stupidest thing you've ever said in these forums. Ok, well maybe not as stupid as saying time stops while you're in the middle of a fight so that you have the time to analyze each and every option available to you... but it's close. You clearly know as much about archery and guns as you know about fighting: NONE.

BWHAHAHA are you literally bring up the thinking during a fight thing again. I Literally got comments from people laughing at your stance. They literally commented that you don't have the first clue how the brain works if you think it's not thinking and processing during a fight. Stuff you actively know, stuff you don't actively know, all sorts of stuff is being processed. Please don't bring that subject up again, it just illustrates your lack of knowledge on the subject.

Holy crap full clownshoes mode Froth is back I see. Back to dumb up a thread again. It's mind boggling the lack of reading comprehension you have. It's truly amazing actually. Quote where I said hitting a moving target is just as easy as hitting a stationary one? Quote where I said that, or concede to being a moron. I can think of no other explanation here to you continually repeating the same thing that I've never argued NOT ONE TIME clownshoes. Yet you continually repeat it as though you're making a point. Let me spell is out for the challenged around here.

1. What I DID say was.. the SAME attributes that make one good at hitting stationary targets ALSO translate to the skills required to hitting a moving one i.e. eye sight, hand eye coordination, steadiness, calm cool and collected etc etc.. ALL of those attributes apply to both disciples.

THE DIFFERENCE IS

wait for it.. wait for it...

Hitting a stationary target is simply easier to do that hitting a moving one. There are other factors involved in hitting a moving one. Factors that could take some additional practice and feel to perfect. Nobody and I repeat NOBODY has said otherwise. What we are saying is...

Do you honestly believe somebody that can bounce bullets off objects with precision... SOMETHING HARDER TO DO THAN HTTING A MOVING TARGET. Is somehow going to struggle mightily just because it's moving? It's idiotic to even think that way. He's a damn superb marksman through and through... do you honestly believe he's never shot a moving target in his life? Even some of the stuff he did shoot WERE MOVING.. they just weren't actively dodging and fast moves. It's just crazy the illogical stances being taken here. Imagine somebody saying this...

yeah, that DS, he's the best marksman I've ever seen at hitting stationary targets or slow moving ones. He's been practicing most of his adult life to perfect his skills. Yeah he's awesome, but the target I have in mind is going to be moving... Moving?? Oh crap, didn't know he was gong to be moving, yeah DS isn't the man for the job!!! Do you know how retarded that sounds? Just simply say that out loud and that's you saying that Froth?

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
BWHAHAHA are you literally bring up the thinking during a fight thing again. I Literally got comments from people laughing at your stance. They literally commented that you don't have the first clue how the brain works if you think it's not thinking and processing during a fight. Stuff you actively know, stuff you don't actively know, all sorts of stuff is being processed. Please don't bring that subject up again, it just illustrates your lack of knowledge on the subject.

Holy crap full clownshoes mode Froth is back I see. Back to dumb up a thread again. It's mind boggling the lack of reading comprehension you have. It's truly amazing actually. Quote where I said hitting a moving target is just as easy as hitting a stationary one? Quote where I said that, or concede to being a moron. I can think of no other explanation here to you continually repeating the same thing that I've never argued NOT ONE TIME clownshoes. Yet you continually repeat it as though you're making a point. Let me spell is out for the challenged around here.

1. What I DID say was.. the SAME attributes that make one good at hitting stationary targets ALSO translate to the skills required to hitting a moving one i.e. eye sight, hand eye coordination, steadiness, calm cool and collected etc etc.. ALL of those attributes apply to both disciples.

THE DIFFERENCE IS

wait for it.. wait for it...

Hitting a stationary target is simply easier to do that hitting a moving one. There are other factors involved in hitting a moving one. Factors that could take some additional practice and feel to perfect. Nobody and I repeat NOBODY has said otherwise. What we are saying is...

Do you honestly believe somebody that can bounce bullets off objects with precision... SOMETHING HARDER TO DO THAN HTTING A MOVING TARGET. Is somehow going to struggle mightily just because it's moving? It's idiotic to even think that way. He's a damn superb marksman through and through... do you honestly believe he's never shot a moving target in his life? Even some of the stuff he did shoot WERE MOVING.. they just weren't actively dodging and fast moves. It's just crazy the illogical stances being taken here. Imagine somebody saying this...

yeah, that DS, he's the best marksman I've ever seen at hitting stationary targets or slow moving ones. He's been practicing most of his adult life to perfect his skills. Yeah he's awesome, but the target I have in mind is going to be moving... Moving?? Oh crap, didn't know he was gong to be moving, yeah DS isn't the man for the job!!! Do you know how retarded that sounds? Just simply say that out loud and that's you saying that Froth?

Right. Comments that no one else has seen except you. Bet you can never provide quotes of those comments laughing at me.

And at the end of all that blurb, what exactly is your stance? You agree that hitting moving targets is harder and yet you assume DS can automaticlly do so without feats to support it.

LMAO HAHAHAHHA okay bud, whatever helps you sleep at night.

Answer my questions:

repeat the analogy I used out loud to yourself. Imagine somebody saying that to you. You'd look at them like... umm are you dumb? that's how you're being in this thread Froth. Literally, just say it out loud.

Do you agree that bouncing a bullet off an object and landing a kill shot is harder to do than hitting a moving target. Do you agree?

If not, how on earth can you say that?

If you do, than why would I expect him to struggle with something easier to do... something like hitting a moving target?

Originally posted by h1a8
Cap's upper legs and groin will be stationary. They will not be moving out of the way of the line of sight.

It was under specific circumstances where Cap turtled. This fight won't have those circumstances. His character is to rush a lone shooter if he's standing with hand in shield. Otherwise he would have ALWAYS OR MOSTLY applied that tactic.

He never ricochet bullets while turtled, can you post the scene where he did this ricocheting of bullets?

did you fail kindergarten????

Originally posted by BruceSkywalker
did you fail kindergarten????

Yes, he did. 6 times.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Yes, he did. 6 times.

maybe he is still there

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
LMAO HAHAHAHHA okay bud, whatever helps you sleep at night.

Answer my questions:

repeat the analogy I used out loud to yourself. Imagine somebody saying that to you. You'd look at them like... umm are you dumb? that's how you're being in this thread Froth. Literally, just say it out loud.

Do you agree that bouncing a bullet off an object and landing a kill shot is harder to do than hitting a moving target. Do you agree?

If not, how on earth can you say that?

If you do, than why would I expect him to struggle with something easier to do... something like hitting a moving target?

You're using false comparisons here. Yes, bouncing a bullet off an object and landing a kill shot is harder than hitting a moving object. But we're not just shooting a moving object here. You're shooting a moving target hidden behind a shield. Now that's harder to do than bouncing a bullet to kill someone, especially when you had unlimited prep to make that bounce shot whereas you'll only have a few seconds to shoot that guy behind the shield running at you.

Originally posted by FrothByte
You're using false comparisons here. Yes, bouncing a bullet off an object and landing a kill shot is harder than hitting a moving object. But we're not just shooting a moving object here. You're shooting a moving target hidden behind a shield. Now that's harder to do than bouncing a bullet to kill someone, especially when you had unlimited prep to make that bounce shot whereas you'll only have a few seconds to shoot that guy behind the shield running at you.

kt is going to try and argue that the ricochet wasn't planned and was a spur of the moment deal, even though the movie made it clear that DS was prepared for it.

Originally posted by Silent Master
kt is going to try and argue that the ricochet wasn't planned and was a spur of the moment deal, even though the movie made it clear that DS was prepared for it.

Nah, I bet he'll say something like:

"See? You even agree that bouncing off a bullet is harder than hitting a moving target. You just agreed to what I said."

Originally posted by BruceSkywalker
did you fail kindergarten????

Originally posted by FrothByte
Nah, I bet he'll say something like:

"See? You even agree that bouncing off a bullet is harder than hitting a moving target. You just agreed to what I said."

Originally posted by FrothByte
You're using false comparisons here. Yes, bouncing a bullet off an object and landing a kill shot is harder than hitting a moving object. But we're not just shooting a moving object here. You're shooting a moving target hidden behind a shield. Now that's harder to do than bouncing a bullet to kill someone, especially when you had unlimited prep to make that bounce shot whereas you'll only have a few seconds to shoot that guy behind the shield running at you.

You have zero basis for saying it's harder to hit a moving target with a shield than it's to bounce a bullet off something and kill them. Neither one of us can say with any certainty which is harder. I'd still side with the bouncing bullet, but again, they are hard realistically compare. Point is though, if one CAN and HAS bounced bullets off of things and killed people. If somehow has developed his skill so much that he's able to hit a bullseye each and every time through the same hole.... Do you HONESTLY expect us to believe he has no experience at shooting moving targets and would struggle? Really? LOL. Not only is this whole line of conversation comical, but it illustrates how desperate the other side is here.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
You have zero basis for saying it's harder to hit a moving target with a shield than it's to bounce a bullet off something and kill them. Neither one of us can say with any certainty which is harder. I'd still side with the bouncing bullet, but again, they are hard realistically compare. Point is though, if one CAN and HAS bounced bullets off of things and killed people. If somehow has developed his skill so much that he's able to hit a bullseye each and every time through the same hole.... Do you HONESTLY expect us to believe he has no experience at shooting moving targets and would struggle? Really? LOL. Not only is this whole line of conversation comical, but it illustrates how desperate the other side is here.

Kt, please use whatever common sense you have. It is harder to hit something behind an impenetrable shield than it is to bounce a bullet off something and hit something else. Ricochets happen in real life, it is not such a stretch to think that a comicbook character can hone this skill enough to control the ricochet.

On the other hand, an impenetrable shield is an impenetrable shield. No matter how many ways you cut it, you won't be able to shoot through something that's impenetrable.

You keep going back to "DS can shoot moving targets easily" completely ignoring the full context which is: He'll be shooting a moving target, covered by a shield, and only has a few seconds to do so.

Originally posted by FrothByte
Kt, please use whatever common sense you have. It is harder to hit something behind an impenetrable shield than it is to bounce a bullet off something and hit something else. Ricochets happen in real life, it is not such a stretch to think that a comicbook character can hone this skill enough to control the ricochet.

On the other hand, an impenetrable shield is an impenetrable shield. No matter how many ways you cut it, you won't be able to shoot through something that's impenetrable.

You keep going back to "DS can shoot moving targets easily" completely ignoring the full context which is: He'll be shooting a moving target, covered by a shield, and only has a few seconds to do so.

Incorrect, HE'S NOT SHOOTING at the shield you buffoon. So how impenetrable has ZERO significance here. What DOES have significance is that the shield can't cover his entire body while charging forward. THAT is the key here. Not that his shield will stop bullets LOL. Jesus, do you actually think you bring up good points? LOL So again, YES, bouncing a bullet of something and killing somebody in one shot IS harder, that seeing small opening on somebody charging you with a shield and hitting that opening.

Further, you avoided the question again... DO YOU THINK DS LACKS EXPERIENCE AT SHOOTING MOVING TARGETS.. IS THAT SOMETHING YOU LOGICALLY THINK HE'S ALSO NEVER TRIED TO DEVELOP?