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FinalAnswer Flower

lol

Withsensibility Restricted

Lets just talk about the defence against a tyrannical government one moment.

Do you think the victims that BLM talk about who are defending against racist police should own guns? Isnt that precisely the defence against tyrannical government? Or do you need to try mental gymnastics?

Scribble Restricted

The police and the government are different things. Individual police officers acting against civilians is very different from the elected government trying to dissolve democracy and put a dictatorship in its place, which is what 'defence against tyranny' implies.

Withsensibility Restricted

The police follow the government and are funded by the government.

Defending against the police is defending against the government.

Scribble Restricted

I repeat:

Originally posted by Scribble
Individual police officers acting against civilians is very different from the elected government trying to dissolve democracy and put a dictatorship in its place, which is what 'defence against tyranny' implies.

The police are not attempting to stage a coup and enslave the populace. The situations are distinctly different.

MS Warehouse Senior Member

Originally posted by Scribble
The police and the government are different things. Individual police officers acting against civilians is very different from the elected government trying to dissolve democracy and put a dictatorship in its place, which is what 'defence against tyranny' implies.

basically this but i lumped police in because they could be considered a militia in this case.

Lord Lucien Lets all love Lain

So... I think we have a full-fledged conspiracy nut on our hands here.

MS Warehouse Senior Member

You're not talking about me because the police force is the correct example of a militia during either a coup or a government takeover. There's no conspiracy here, just a lack of understanding of certain concepts.

Withsensibility Restricted

So none of you believe in an agenda being forced on its citizens and it's all cool because police a not a militia. Okay then.

MS Warehouse Senior Member

The police aren't a militia but they could be called upon to act in that manner.

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And when the police are against you, what do?

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Originally posted by MS Warehouse
The police aren't a militia but they could be called upon to act in that manner.

If they were used as such, then the situation is changed to the one I mentioned, right? Otherwise they are personal cases of cop vs civilian, not government vs populace.

Originally posted by Withsensibility
So none of you believe in an agenda being forced on its citizens and it's all cool because police a not a militia. Okay then.

I don't think anyone said anything like this

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If a cop is against you, what do?

Scribble Restricted

Originally posted by Withsensibility
If a cop is against you, what do?

Are you in the wrong? Then allow them to arrest you (doesn't happen all the time, sadly). Are they persecuting you but not threatening to kill you? Then allow them to arrest you and prove your innocence, not worth risking your life over. Are they going to kill you? Try to avoid death, because avoiding death is generally good. If you have a gun, and think it's worth shooting them, then do it, but be prepared... half of the GDF will call you a gun totin' thug regardless of whether you are or not. Also if there aren't any witnesses you're probably going down for murder.

MS Warehouse Senior Member

If they were used as such, then the situation is changed to the one I mentioned, right? Otherwise they are personal cases of cop vs civilian, not government vs populace.

I agreed with you

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I know, I'm just debating issues in a healthy manner, don't worry

Withsensibility Restricted

So if the police are against you, and the only option is to shoot them but you're restricted thanks to gun control, do you just die?

Scribble Restricted

I hate to answer a question with a question (and for the record I don't have a definitive opinion on gun control, but I certainly don't think American citizens should just have all of their guns taken away, which I every much doubt will ever happen), but: If the police are against you, and you pull a gun, do you really stand a chance of outshooting them?

Lord Lucien Lets all love Lain

Originally posted by MS Warehouse
You're not talking about me because the police force is the correct example of a militia during either a coup or a government takeover. There's no conspiracy here, just a lack of understanding of certain concepts.

No not you, the other guy with the ironic username. This guy:

Originally posted by Withsensibility
So if the police are against you, and the only option is to shoot them but you're restricted thanks to gun control, do you just die?

If the police are against you to the point of opening up on you, then justly or unjust, you are right f*cked. At best you'll go down with Blaze of Glory ringing in your ears, at worst you pop off a few shots, then go on the run for the rest of your life. Ya know, until they catch you in like 2 hours.

Withsensibility Restricted

Originally posted by Scribble
I hate to answer a question with a question (and for the record I don't have a definitive opinion on gun control, but I certainly don't think American citizens should just have all of their guns taken away, which I every much doubt will ever happen), but: If the police are against you, and you pull a gun, do you really stand a chance of outshooting them?

some have.

The point still stands. Defence against police and opression. Its guarenteed liberty, a gun.

Originally posted by Lord Lucien
No not you, the other guy with the ironic username. This guy:
If the police are against you to the point of opening up on you, then justly or unjust, you are right f*cked. At best you'll go down with Blaze of Glory ringing in your ears, at worst you pop off a few shots, then go on the run for the rest of your life. Ya know, until they catch you in like 2 hours.

what a horrible world to live in. I would rather have protection against tyranny and oppression. Whether its the police shooting me for my skin colour or an agenda in the media that says dark skinned people should be protected. It doesnt matter. The rght of the people to keep and bear arms shall NOT be infringed.