Obi-Wan kenobi and Qui-Gon Jinn vs Darth Traya and The Exile

Originally posted by MythLord
Somewhat contending with Maul and besting a candidate for "the greatest Jedi duelist in history" > beating Atton Rand.

That just means Traya will be able to contend with Maul, whose other skill feats at the time don't put him above her ability to contend with.

A candidate for the greatest duelist of his time, IIRC, not all time, and probably a candidate in the eyes of his students who haven't seen a true master of lightsaber combat before 👆

After all, even Kas'im was a "candidate for the greatest duelist of all time".

Besides, if Jinn dies in sabers, Obi picks up his saber and gives them the Florrum treatment.

Well, if that happens, Traya gives them the three-purple-sticks-up-your-ass treatment.

Originally posted by carthage
Trying to apply your own personal rankings>>> Vader having vastly superior force feats to Traya

Get back to your short bus

Your laughable preconceptions of power levels aside, numerous people on the forum share the opinion that Traya's best feats approach Darth Vader. Not one of them lacks superiority to yourself.

Originally posted by SunRazer
That just means Traya will be able to contend with Maul, whose other accomplishments at the time aren't that overwhelming.

A candidate for the greatest duelist of his time, IIRC, not all time, and probably a candidate in the eyes of his students who haven't seen a true master of lightsaber combat before 👆

Traya dies quickly to Maul, tbh. Maul at the time was deemed one of the most well trained Sith apprentices in all of history, bested Anoon Bondara relatively quickly, and shouldn't be far behind his TCW version, where he stalemates Obi-Wan Kenobi.

Those students were all at least at some point trained by Yoda, who frequently displays his skill to them; like stomping Plo, Depa and Tiin at the same time without a lightsaber. And they still think Anoon might be better, so... y'know.

And even being a candidate for the greatest duelist in a time that had Yoda is pretty damn good.

Originally posted by SunRazer
Well, if that happens, Traya gives them the three-purple-sticks-up-your-ass treatment.

I wonder how she'll do that without her head.

Originally posted by MythLord
Traya dies quickly to Maul, tbh. Maul at the time was deemed one of the most well trained Sith apprentices in all of history

Traya was probably the most skilled in an organization that killed tens of thousands of Jedi in their combative prime.

bested Anoon Bondara relatively quickly

Who has absolutely nothing to his name except losing to Qui-Gon, Mace, and being the best duelist ever in the minds of some wilted mushrooms.

and shouldn't be far behind his TCW version, where he stalemates Obi-Wan Kenobi.

Who wouldn't kill Traya quickly in a duel either. 👆

Those students were all at least at some point trained by Yoda, who frequently displays his skill over them; like stomping Plo, Depa and Tiin at the same time without a lightsaber. And they still think Anoon might be better, so... y'know.

99% of younglings don't see Yoda in action, lol. He "trains" them as in oversees them deflecting blaster fire from remotes.

And even being a candidate for the greatest duelist in a time that had Yoda is pretty damn good.

It's obviously candidacy in the eyes of the ignorant. I'm not sure why you're bringing this up. It's like bringing up Bane's "Kas'im is perhaps the best duelist ever" thought.

I wonder how she'll do that without her head.

She'll dodge his strikes ala Brianna 🙂

Seriously, though? She just pulls out a heavy blaster and kills them all 🙂

Originally posted by SunRazer
Traya was probably the most skilled in an organization that killed tens of thousands of Jedi in their combative prime.

Nihilus sh!ts on her.

Originally posted by SunRazer
Who has absolutely nothing to his name except losing to Qui-Gon, Mace, and being the best duelist ever in the minds of some wilted mushrooms.

Ur a wilted mushroom. 👿 He also has being a Weapons Master, someone Traya admits is the highest ranking warrior of the Jedi Order, being an exotic Weapons Specialist and being one of the greatest duelists in Jedi history. Suck it!

Originally posted by SunRazer
Who wouldn't kill Traya quickly in a duel either. 👆

He'll shove his horns up her arse.

Originally posted by SunRazer
99% of younglings don't see Yoda in action, lol. He "trains" them as in oversees them deflecting blaster fire from remotes.

It's obviously candidacy in the eyes of the ignorant. I'm not sure why you're bringing this up. It's like bringing up Bane's "Kas'im is perhaps the best duelist ever" thought.

The Darth Maul: Shadow Hunter literally notes how Yoda would often display his skills and mastery over other masters to demonstrate why a Force connection is going to make you a better duelist than technical skill, and stomps three of the greatest fighters of the Order while doing so.

So they think Anoon can beat Depa, Plo and Tiin at the same time. 👆 Traya gets shat on by that; her best feat is killing assassins and non-canonically beating a failed padawan who's impressive cuz he trained in Echani. I mean... look at that skill:

Look at that speed; he could dodge attacks that were out of range.

Originally posted by SunRazer
She'll dodge his strikes ala Brianna 🙂

Seriously, though? She just pulls out a heavy blaster and kills them all 🙂

Blasters? So uncivilized. Obi deflects the shots back into her skull.

Originally posted by MythLord
Nihilus sh!ts on her.

As a duelist? lmaosy

Ur a wilted mushroom. 👿 He also has being a Weapons Master, someone Traya admits is the highest ranking warrior of the Jedi Order, being an exotic Weapons Specialist and being one of the greatest duelists in Jedi history. Suck it!

Yeah, that's about as good as an average KotOR Jedi, lmfao.

He'll shove his horns up her arse.

It'll bounce right off 🙂

The Darth Maul: Shadow Hunter literally notes how Yoda would often display his skills and mastery over other masters to demonstrate why a Force connection is going to make you a better duelist than technical skill, and stomps three of the greatest fighters of the Order while doing so.

I haven't read it in ages but the oft-quoted bit doesn't mention this. Regardless, they're about as right as Neville Chamberlain was when he said there'd be no war. 👆

So they think Anoon can beat Depa, Plo and Tiin at the same time. 👆 Traya gets shat on by that; her best feat is killing assassins and non-canonically beating a failed padawan who's impressive cuz he trained in Echani. I mean... look at that skill:

Look at that speed; he could dodge attacks that were out of range.

This made me laugh. Anyways, I take it we're done with this. Anoon's accolade means the square root of jack shit.

Blasters? So uncivilized. Obi deflects the shots back into her skull.

Kreia bores him to death with her rants.

Originally posted by SunRazer
As a duelist? lmaosy

Yis. Traya dies to Surik, and Nihilus takes her, and her company on a ride of a lifetime.

Originally posted by SunRazer
Yeah, that's about as good as an average KotOR Jedi, lmfao.

Traya can only beat failed KoTOR padawans, so yeah 👆

Originally posted by SunRazer
It'll bounce right off 🙂

Traya has a steel ass. All that old-lady yoga payed off.

Originally posted by SunRazer
I haven't read it in ages but the oft-quoted bit doesn't mention this. Regardless, they're about as right as Neville Chamberlain was when he said there'd be no war. 👆

It literally says he'd perform demonstrations where he shows his skill and power to the students. 👆

And even being a candidate speaks to how highly he's regarded in the Order. If Traya was alive during that time, she'd be a candidate for the lunch lady, not the best duelist of the time.

Originally posted by SunRazer
This made me laugh. Anyways, I take it we're done with this. Anoon's accolade means the square root of jack shit.

It's still worth more than Traya 👆

Originally posted by SunRazer
Kreia bores him to death with her rants.

What if Obi cuts her vocal cords? mmm

Originally posted by MythLord
Yis. Traya dies to Surik, and Nihilus takes her, and her company on a ride of a lifetime.

Not because of skill, lol.

Traya can only beat failed KoTOR padawans, so yeah 👆

Atton's a failed Jedi padawan? lol

And even being a candidate speaks to how highly he's regarded in the Order. If Traya was alive during that time, she'd be a candidate for the lunch lady, not the best duelist of the time.

Candidate? The Lord of Betrayal is no candidate.

She'll be "elected by the lightsaber's blade", as it was said in KotORCG.

It's still worth more than Traya 👆

Traya's worth more than all the Maul stories combined, lmfao

What if Obi cuts her vocal cords? mmm

Then he loses influence with her.

Originally posted by SunRazer
Not because of skill, lol.

Must be because of the mask, then.

Originally posted by SunRazer
Atton's a failed Jedi padawan? lol

You're right, he probably isn't even worth that much.

Originally posted by SunRazer
Candidate? The Lord of Betrayal is no candidate.

She'll be "elected by the lightsaber's blade", as it was said in KotORCG.

Yeah she'll get elected by the blade... to get pierced by it.

Originally posted by SunRazer
Traya's worth more than all the Maul stories combined, lmfao

Doesn't say much; she's still sh!t.

Originally posted by SunRazer
Then he loses influence with her.

Good. She's a bad influence on him, anyways.

I like how Myth's entire argument could be boiled down to "nah, my opinion >> sources".

It bodes great for how well he's going to do in our debate, lmao.

The banter's fun but the concession's accepted 🙂

Originally posted by Selenial
I like how Myth's entire argument could be boiled down to "nah, my opinion >> sources".

It bodes great for how well he's going to do in our debate, lmao.

If you assume these my actual arguments then you're more dilusional than I originally thought.

Oh and speaking of our CaV; try to get your reply done by the end of this year, hon.

Originally posted by SunRazer
The banter's fun but the concession's accepted 🙂

Congrats, you won a banter-based, not serious debate. This feeling of emptiness is your reward. 👆

Originally posted by MythLord
Congrats, you won a banter-based, not serious debate. This feeling of emptiness is your reward. 👆

Better than the Darwin's Award for excellence that you got. 👆

You may think that, I couldn't possibly comment.

Wrong wording 👆

Less shit talking please Sunrazor, try and be civil like your opponent.

Originally posted by MythLord
If you assume these my actual arguments then you're more dilusional than I originally thought.

Oh and speaking of our CaV; try to get your reply done by the end of this year, hon.

Considering you've been saying that in every Kotor II debate I've ever seen you in, I'm starting to doubt you have any actual arguments.

I'm busy, and unlike you I'm not happy rushing out a flawed first argument just to get something going. You'll get it soon 😉

Originally posted by Selenial
Considering you've been saying that in every Kotor II debate I've ever seen you in, I'm starting to doubt you have any actual arguments.

I'm busy, and unlike you I'm not happy rushing out a flawed first argument just to get something going. You'll get it soon 😉

Really? I'm pretty sure this is the first time I actually said that. But you can easily spout out more lies about me to save face, hon.

See, that's why I made the opener; so you wouldn't make a flawed first argument. 👆

Originally posted by SunRazer
Wrong wording 👆

That's the point. I am mocking a quote you like, hon.

I use hon too much.