Well if we take Meetra's full range of abilities into play...
Meetra is Echani trained, and able to set up series of movements multiple moves ahead. She is also naturally talented with telepathy, even so much as to surpass masters who have spent lifetimes trying to achieve what she achieved in seconds
You are strong indeed.... what you heard were surface thoughts only, but it is something that masters have trained for for years and never learned.
(KOTOR 2, Kreia Telepathy Training Session)
In the Jedi vs. Sith - The Essential Guide to the Force we learn:
"In combat, telepaths do have a distinct edge. Even if one fights by instinct and reflex, most cannot stop themselves from emitting monosyllabic thoughts that project their next movement. During my training bouts at the Jedi Temple, my opponents unwittingly revealed their every move, allowing me that crucial fraction of a moment that enabled me to be the one who would remain standing."
- Jedi Master Saesee Tiin, Jedi vs. Sith - The Essential Guide to the Force
As shown above, those who are capable telepaths have the ability to read their opponents during combat. Meetra was already shown to be beyond masters that have trained for years and never achieved what she could do within seconds of study, and this was *early* in the adventure of KOTOR 2. By the end she is far more powerful and this should be easier for her.
So I wager she'll be able to read both Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan during combat, especially Obi-Wan.
When it comes to other bonuses for team Old School, Meetra is Force Bonded, and Force Chained with Traya. Any positive ability that effects one, effects the other. This means one use of Force Surge and they are both effected. There's a lot to be said for strategies that can be made with such a bonus.
With this also comes the telepathic link they will share.
In the end I see Meetra able to read the two, and telepathically communicate this with Traya and they can make a plan and execute it catching the other two blindsided.
And that's not even bringing into the mix Meetra's natural ability to sever others from the Force which I think Obi-Wan will fall to. Lol.
Originally posted by SunRazer
Well, I'm glad to see someone else who knows KotOR II, but I'm not seeing evidence for Surik successfully severing Obi-Wan from the Force.
When it comes to the argument, the only real argument about it is whether or not the target is able to resist it. I look at it this way usually...
Meetra is shown to be powerful, and a natural at severing other's connection to the Force:
...she (Meetra) trains with other masters, including Vima Sunrider, who cautions the Jedi Exile to be mindful of her powers, particularly her aptitude for severing another's connection to the Force.
-Star Wars Knights of the Old Republic Campaign Guide, pg. 140
In this same guide we see her Sever Force listed as: "Force Power Mastery (sever Force)" The revered and honored Nomi Sunrider is listed as having a lower level of Sever Force (Star Wars Power of the Jedi Sourcebook, pg. 104 under Force Skills), and Odan-Urr having a considerably lower level of skill in this ability (Star Wars Power of the Jedi Sourcebook, pg. 99).
So as powerful as Odan-Urr was with the ability, Nomi was twice as strong with it. And between Nomi and Meetra, Meetra is much stronger still.
I consider Obi-Wan to be a strong duelist, but I don't hold his Force defense or overall power in the Force (aside from his aug) to be great enough to resist her powerful, natural talent of severing others from the Force.
Originally posted by SunRazer
Indeed; the fact that Surik has Severed nobody but herself from the Force doesn't exactly help Miko's argument.
Bear in mind, that's when Surik is a padawan.
You state "Surik has Severed nobody but herself", yet again in the quote I provided:
...she (Meetra) trains with other masters, including Vima Sunrider, who cautions the Jedi Exile to be mindful of her powers, particularly her aptitude for severing another's connection to the Force.
-Star Wars Knights of the Old Republic Campaign Guide, pg. 140
Meetra is noted by her master as having an aptitude (innate ability, natural ability) for severing another's connection to the Force. Care to give a good reason why Vima would be familiar enough with Meetra doing that, that she has to caution Meetra about it?
We also assume by default that it's morals on, so Surik wouldn't be using the power anyway.
Not... quite accurate.
Its actually morally preferable to Sever Force than to do physical harm.
1. I meant on-panel examples. I'm aware of that quote, but Severing random no-namers doesn't exactly justify being able to do it on Obi-Wan. If she's already severed numerous other Force users (presumably other Jedi) from the Force as a padawan, I'm surprised she's still in the Order. I'm even more surprised that it wasn't mentioned by any of the Masters in K2 or that recording between Vrook and Vandar. Not an appeal to incredulity, of course, I'm just finding the idea of her severing others with the Force as a Padawan rather difficult to reconcile.
In any event, my proposition for how Vima knew of Surik's aptitude for Sever Force is tied to this question: How would any Jedi be able to practice or master Sever Force, unless you think they've actually shown the power that many times? I imagine there are alternate ways of practice, though I wouldn't exactly be able to write a treatise on it.
2. Unfortunately, we have no indication that Surik adheres to Odan-Urr's philosophy. She's certainly shown a preference for killing rather than Severing, unless you think she can't Sever all those legions of Sith that she opted to strike down instead of Severing? Again, that doesn't exactly suggest that she can Sever Obi-Wan.
Originally posted by SunRazer
I'm aware of that quote, but Severing random no-namers doesn't exactly justify being able to do it on Obi-Wan.
Except that's Padawan Meetra. If we're applying scaling, by the end of KOTOR 2 where she's far more powerful having had more training than before Malachor V, and having finished her training post Dark Wars, then she should be perfectly able to as a fully fledged and trained Jedi Master.
If she's already severed numerous other Force users (presumably other Jedi) from the Force as a padawan, I'm surprised she's still in the Order.
The order is able to undo a Sever Force. It'd be an annoyance for them, but not enough to banish a Jedi for it when she may be training to control it and not do it on impulse.
I'm even more surprised that it wasn't mentioned by any of the Masters in K2 or that recording between Vrook and Vandar. Not an appeal to incredulity, of course, I'm just finding the idea of her severing others with the Force as a Padawan rather difficult to reconcile. Especially with the next point...
In any event, my proposition for how Vima knew of Surik's aptitude for Sever Force is tied to this question: How would any Jedi be able to practice or master Sever Force, unless you think they've actually shown the power that many times? I imagine there are alternate ways of practice, though I wouldn't exactly be able to write a treatise on it.
As stated, her ability to form bonds and such was discussed much by the council, and they still couldn't explain it. Meetra appears to have a unique talent over bonds which extends to bonds between a being and the Force.
Unfortunately, we have no indication that Surik adheres to Odan-Urr's philosophy. She's certainly shown a preference for killing rather than Severing, unless you think she can't Sever all those legions of Sith that she opted to strike down instead of Severing? Again, that doesn't exactly suggest that she can Sever Obi-Wan.
Its questionable if her ability to sever would extend to those who have been in the range of influence of other wounds, they being wounds themselves.
