Valkorion vs DE Sidious

Originally posted by Beniboybling
@Neph, how is Sidious "supposedly" better than Vader lol? His superiority is firmly established. And out of curiosity on what grounds does Valkoriate >> Revan in TK? And more specifically, which incarnation?

That entirely depends on how great you think Nyriss is or how literally you interpret hyperbole, suffice to say I disagree with you there. However Yoda just so happens to be (much) better than all of those names.

We've been on that merrigoround already, even LeG was left flailing. 😉

Neither has Valkorion, so what's your point?

I'm sure, I mean he blew up T3 amrite?

He's never actually demonstrated superior TK than him. Nor, I believe, has he been indicated to be the superior in that area. And based on Revan being unable to more than budge an Imperial Guard that was merely drawing upon Vitiate's power.

Nyriss' lightning was able to instantly disintegrate despite having to break through a force barrier. That's a very high level of lightning. Obviously "infinitely" is hyperbolic, but the clear intent is that his lightning was vastly superior. And naw, Revan's comparable to Yoda in tutaminis. Not that Sidious actually overloaded Yoda's tutaminis, it was a draw.

"Even Legend" isn't exactly a high mark.

That Valkorion's drain feats are better and you have no argument. It's not like Valkorion isn't also superior to Nihilus and Plagueis. And he lived at the height of the Sith Empire before knowledge of Nihilus' technique was lost and improved upon that variant with his rituals.

Sure did. Though, I suppose it's nothing on what Sidious did to that coffee table when Leia humiliated him.

Originally posted by Zenwolf
When were Sith spirits involved with Palps return?

Plaps also had multiple bodies? They were clones sure, but then Palps also shown the ability to hijack living bodies too.

It's stated that he returned with the help of Sith spirits.

Valkorion possessed multiple bodies at once.

Sidious being unable to deal a fatal blow to Ashoka add's more fire to the flame - or in this case - resistance to the voltage. If Mace Windu makes a reappearance, I legitimatly argue that Nyriss is better than Uncle Sids

Failing to kill someone despite them being defenseless seems like something Maul would do, not Sidious. mmm

Originally posted by Nephthys
It's stated that he returned with the help of Sith spirits.

Valkorion possessed multiple bodies at once.

Except the Encyclopedia says he just did it through sheer will.

Hmm...when? I seem to recall him only being in one body at a time.

Originally posted by Ziggystardust
Sidious being unable to deal a fatal blow to Ashoka add's more fire to the flame - or in this case - resistance to the voltage. If Mace Windu makes a reappearance, I legitimatly argue that Nyriss is better than Uncle Sids

Why are you trying to interject Canon into a Legends thread here? Two completely different continuities with different gauges of power.

Originally posted by Zenwolf
Except the Encyclopedia says he just did it through sheer will.

Hmm...when? I seem to recall him only being in one body at a time.

That isn't incompatible with the other quote.

His Voices and Ziost. He was Vitiate and Valkorion simultaneously, after all.

Originally posted by Nephthys
He's never actually demonstrated superior TK than him. Nor, I believe, has he been indicated to be the superior in that area. And based on Revan being unable to more than budge an Imperial Guard that was merely drawing upon Vitiate's power.

Nyriss' lightning was able to instantly disintegrate despite having to break through a force barrier. That's a very high level of lightning. Obviously "infinitely" is hyperbolic, but the clear intent is that his lightning was vastly superior. And naw, Revan's comparable to Yoda in tutaminis. Not that Sidious actually overloaded Yoda's tutaminis, it was a draw.

"Even Legend" isn't exactly a high mark.

That Valkorion's drain feats are better and you have no argument. It's not like Valkorion isn't also superior to Nihilus and Plagueis. And he lived at the height of the Sith Empire before knowledge of Nihilus' technique was lost and improved upon that variant with his rituals.

Sure did. Though, I suppose it's nothing on what Sidious did to that coffee table when Leia humiliated him.

It's really not, but Nyriss never disintegrated anyone anyway. And Revan has never come close to absorbing the lightning of a Sidious-tier opponent, so wrong again. But yeah though Sidious failed to overwhelm Yoda he did overload his tutanimis, hence the explosion.

It is for the TOR brigade. 👆

Except that's not what you said, you said Sidious has never employed a combat-variant of drain, well neither has Valkorion. Anyway I realised I typed superior drain in my OP, I meant equal, in the sense that we've every reason to believe the Ziost feat is something Palpy could pull off given his superiority to the likes of Nihilus & Plagueis.

Was that before and after he left her smoking and helpless on the floor?

Originally posted by Nephthys
That isn't incompatible with the other quote.

His Voices and Ziost. He was Vitiate and Valkorion simultaneously, after all.

Except didn't Senya say that Valk was at times distant and what not? This seems to say that he wasn't entirely in both bodies at the same time.

Originally posted by Nephthys
That isn't incompatible with the other quote.

Where's Temp? Beni's pro-Sidious arguments kinda giving me cancer ngl. 🙂

Ur not worthy, deal. 🙂

Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
Where's Temp? Beni's pro-Sidious arguments kinda giving me cancer ngl. 🙂

Valkorion and vitiate were going on at the same time.

Not really. During the centuries he was building up Zakuul, the Sith Emperor was silent, some even thought he was dead. During the events of the main game where the Sith Emperor returned to perform his ritual, Valkorion was distant and almost never spoke according to Senya. Both hosts are there, but he only actively controls one at time--the other is essentially on autopilot.

Genuinely love how the Sheev brigade on CV have no counter.

Lol, the "Sheev brigade".