Originally posted by quanchi112
He had to defeat the Inquisitors because they were an obstacle. He feigned needing them to calm down their uneasiness with allying with a known dark sider. So he needed them as I said to aid in defeating all three Inquisitors. Once he did so he proceeded to eliminate the other two good guys. If he was that fearful of Vader why not bring in more possible allies until he knew Vader's
That's completely off the point and you know it. Since the very beginning of this 'debate' you knew he fought the Inqs in front of the Jedi, yet you still argued 'he deceived them into thinking he was weak'. You just screwed up your argument and have no effective counter. Unless you think Maul is stupid, it was pretty obvious they were eventually going to face the Inqs or Vader, so his intention was never to 'deceive the Jedi into thinking he was weak', like you said. Try harder.
Show me anything that points to the dark nexus being an undeniable amp in no way the episode went into explain. If there was a dark side nexus it wouldn't give him an advantage against Vader so who the **** cares. I didn't say he was planning on facing him I'm saying he knew it was a possibility he might have no choice after he disposed of the good guys.
How about the fact that there's a massive dark side temple with a Holocron so powerful and important that Vader himself considered it of vital importance to acquire? Or how about the fact that the Inquisitors can fly around with their lightsabers due to its power boost? I mean, we can safely reach this conclusion based on the fact that we never see the Inqs pull off something like that prior to Malachor.
And it matters because Maul was fighting Ahsoka evenly while being amped by a dark nexus. Do I need to connect the dots for you?
You said their duel ended at that point. False. It ended after they re engaged since neither party was injured and it continued. Tano wasn't injured at all. Vader was. That's telling. Quit making excuses for why Vader didn't put down his former student or at least injure her.
So, according to your flawed logic, a duel only ends when one of the combatants is injured? Like, if they never get injured, but they are separated and stop dueling for a year, when they clash sabers again it's the same duel? Mmkay, genius.
Yeah, Vader was injured by an unexpected cheap shot from behind. That's telling, definitely. 👆 On the other hand, you keep ignoring this:
Maul blinded him and had him beaten. Tano had to save his life. No one saved Tano against Vader. Different circumstances entirely so save me the trouble of seeing your troll logic.
Excuses. He wasn't distracted, he has precog and Kanan was ****ing blind. He failed to react. He was in the process of trying to react. Kanan got the better of him. He managed to throw him off the temple with one move.
See what I did there?
That is his opinion you stupid ****. The show gives us the facts not some random interview where he says something. That's an opinion you pile of shit no matter how informed it is. Opinions vary. Facts are what the show gives us.
He's the director and executive producer. He runs the goddamn show. He decides what happens in it. Your everlasting denial never ceases to amaze me.
Also:
That is his opinion you stupid ****.
That's an opinion you pile of shit no matter how informed it is.
Originally posted by quanchi112
I never get upset.
You even contradict your feelings. 👆
Originally posted by PetrusYou are misunderstanding me. I didn't mean he meant to imply he's a scrub only that he needed them for Vader as to assuade their anxiety in aligning with a former Sith Lord. You just screwed the pooch with this and thus concede he thought he'd meet up with Vader and tried to kill them anyways.
That's completely off the point and you know it. Since the very beginning of this 'debate' you knew he fought the Inqs in front of the Jedi, yet you still argued 'he deceived them into thinking he was weak'. You just screwed up your argument and have no effective counter. Unless you think Maul is stupid, it was pretty obvious they were eventually going to face the Inqs or Vader, so his intention was never to 'deceive the Jedi into thinking he was weak', like you said. Try harder.
It was a massive weapon but at no point does the episode point to power amplification for dark siders. This only makes Vader look worse off than anyone since he had ample time against Tano and was unable to hurt her in any significant way. They fought for a short time and she left. Somehow fighting Vader for a longer time without any injuries means worse for Maul. You're a damn fool. Biased, stupid, and weak.How about the fact that there's a massive dark side temple with a Holocron so powerful and important that Vader himself considered it of vital importance to acquire? Or how about the fact that the Inquisitors can fly around with their lightsabers due to its power boost? I mean, we can safely reach this conclusion based on the fact that we never see the Inqs pull off something like that prior to Malachor.
And it matters because Maul was fighting Ahsoka evenly while being amped by a dark nexus. Do I need to connect the dots for you? [/B]
A duel ends with a winner. Vader never won and only delayed her. You are misrepresenting my argument because yours is so damn pitiful.So, according to your flawed logic, a duel only ends when one of the combatants is injured? Like, if they never get injured, but they are separated and stop dueling for a year, when they clash sabers again it's the same duel? Mmkay, genius.
Yeah, Vader was injured by an unexpected cheap shot from behind. That's telling, definitely. 👆 On the other hand, you keep ignoring this:
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Vader has precognition, distance between the two, and a dark side nexus according to you. He was slow to react. I've made this claim about him before. 🙂
Vader temporarily kept her away. If that's a definitive win to you then Vader lost to Ezra and Kanan.
He was overconfident and fell off. He wasn't injured and had already had Kanan dead to rights before Tano intervened. Maul blinded him. Tell you what let's meet. I get to blind you and you can push me off a short ledge in which I'm fine. You can brag about getting the better of me. Sound good ?Excuses. He wasn't distracted, he has precog and Kanan was ****ing blind. He failed to react. He was in the process of trying to react. Kanan got the better of him. He managed to throw him off the temple with one move.
See what I did there? [/B]
Maul blinded him for life. You're an idiot.
And his opinion no matter how weighted isn't a fact.
He's the director and executive producer. He runs the goddamn show. He decides what happens in it. Your everlasting denial never ceases to amaze me.Also:
You even contradict your feelings. 👆 [/B]
I am berating you I am not upset. I enjoy mocking dummies like yourself. I am doing it right now with a smile on my face.
Well, I doubt that Maul was planning to face Vader without any advantage. He attacked Tano and Kanan, because he wanted Ezra and power of the Temple for himself. And they were an obstacle. So he attacked them, counting, that he will be able to deal with them and return to Ezra before Vader's arrival. With Ezra and Temple's power, it is possible, that he wanted to confront Vader. But without it? Doubtful.
And another thing - if Maul wouldn't be such a fuc.... coward, he possibly would be able to kill Vader, after his duel with Tano and Temple's explosion. Vader barely could walk after all...
Even against Sidious... he was crying like a bitc... and beg for mercy.
Not to mention, that he wasn't brave enough to challange Kenobi in a single combat and fulfill his revenge on him by himself, and himself only.
Originally posted by McPAre you kidding me ? Maul is in this for himself. He's there for one thing only. Vader was already wounded by Tano the girl who fled from Maul. Yet you foolishly call Maul a coward. Silliness.
Well, I doubt that Maul was planning to face Vader without any advantage. He attacked Tano and Kanan, because he wanted Ezra and power of the Temple for himself. And they were an obstacle. So he attacked them, counting, that he will be able to deal with them and return to Ezra before Vader's arrival. With Ezra and Temple's power, it is possible, that he wanted to confront Vader. But without it? Doubtful.And another thing - if Maul wouldn't be such a fuc.... coward, he possibly would be able to kill Vader, after his duel with Tano and Temple's explosion. Vader barely could walk after all...
Even against Sidious... he was crying like a bitc... and beg for mercy.
Not to mention, that he wasn't brave enough to challange Kenobi in a single combat and fulfill his revenge on him by himself, and himself only.
Maul wasn't there to exterminate Vader so why would he hang around for Tano's *****. He has his own thing. He's not obsessed with shitty Lord Vader. Tano got the better of him already. 😂
Originally posted by McPAnd another thing - if Maul wouldn't be such a fuc.... coward, he possibly would be able to kill Vader, after his duel with Tano and Temple's explosion. Vader barely could walk after all...
LMAO
Actually that's true! He would have had a chance if he just stayed and let it all play out before intervening, and didn't crap himself and run like b**ch
Originally posted by quanchi112
Are you kidding me ?
Originally posted by quanchi112
Maul is in this for himself.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Tano the girl who fled from Maul.
Originally posted by Darth Thor
LMAOActually that's true! He would have had a chance if he just stayed and let it all play out before intervening, and didn't crap himself and run like b**ch
Sad thing, is that you actually like Maul. But it changes, as this bullshit-posts-mading-machine writes, and writes and writes...
Originally posted by McP
Sad thing, is that you actually like Maul. But it changes, as this bullshit-posts-mading-machine writes, and writes and writes...
Exactly.. You get it 👆
The Troll talking shit is making even Maul fans argue against Maul.
But to be fair it's Filoni who has really butchered the character in Rebels. It will take a lot of work to get him back to the bad ass he was in Ep.I again. But tbh He's probably damaged beyond repair now. Because no matter what happens now or what he does he will always be the guy who got stomped by Blind Kanan.
On the other hand Filoni has his favorite character going toe to toe with Vader. He should keep his personal bias out of Canon.
Originally posted by McPYou really are delusional then.
No, you're kidding yourself.To increase his collection of failures? Might be true...
She didn't run. She just test him, if he's worth of fighting her. And he faild (again) his exam, by loosing to blind Kanan. So she challanged the only worth opponent there - Vader. Pitty that the Emperor wasn't there as well.
He has survived despite an entire empire wanting him dead. That's pretty impressive. If you want to talk about failures Yoda and Vader come to mind. You seem emotionally vested in this topic to the point of it being an unhealthy obsession.
So now you're making things up like the whole purpose was to test his mettle. You're a dope. He blinded Kanan and the force makes it clear via the New Hope vision isn't necessary. Have you watched Star Wars at all ? You seem to not get it and make up stupid reasons as to bolster your delusional positions.
Vader was the one who was harmed and limped away. Tano was fine despite a long time dueling against Vader. Poor Vader.
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Originally posted by Darth ThorNonsense and another bias laden post in which he cries over Filoni. Newsflash you're just some loser fan who has no input on this whatsoever. Cry more I enjoy it.
Exactly.. You get it 👆The Troll talking shit is making even Maul fans argue against Maul.
But to be fair it's Filoni who has really butchered the character in Rebels. It will take a lot of work to get him back to the bad ass he was in Ep.I again. But tbh He's probably damaged beyond repair now. Because no matter what happens now or what he does he will always be the guy who got stomped by Blind Kanan.
On the other hand Filoni has his favorite character going toe to toe with Vader. He should keep his personal bias out of Canon.
Originally posted by Darth Thor
But to be fair it's Filoni who has really butchered the character in Rebels.
Filoni and Disney. I'm and oldschool kind of fan. I always considered Yoda and Palpatine as superiors of the others. But Dooku or Mace had always their positions as inferiors who could compete with those guys. And actually gave them a good figts. Anakin joined them at the time of ROTS, Maul was nearly up there as well.
I remember the times of Luceno's finest novels, like Plagueis and LoE and Dark Lord. Ostraner, Jedi and the Republic series...
Mace is lucky, that there wasn't much of him in TCW. But still, he was outmanuvered by Cad Bane in his own Temple and he fell into Cad's trap in "Children of the Force" ep story (as I remember). He also stelemated Talzin in a duel, while he should have beat her. Filoni screwed Star Wars' univers. Diney will be even worse ;/
^ I think it was fine upto the end of TCW. Both Mace and Dooku were given some nice feats. Maul was made much more 3 dimensional. Anakin was shown slowly gaining power. Kenobi had some low showings then finally in the S5 opener really showed what he can do.
But now with Lucas gone it seems Filoni has really let loose on all his own fanboy ideas while disrespecting the characters which he's not as fond of.