Originally posted by quanchi112
He wanted to appear weaker than he really was while masking his true intentions.
Speculation, at best. That's literally your own interpretation of the story. Also, he clearly didn't mind the Jedi seeing him in action against the three Inqs. So much for 'wanting to appear weaker'... For being someone who uses 'facts' in debates, you're not making much sense.
Vader didn't best Tano.
Excuse me, what? Vader didn't best Tano? What exactly were you watching? Is your eyesight damaged or something? Vader beat Tano, pal. That's just very clear and if you think otherwise, you're so deluded it's even funnier than before.
He also trained her so he has intimate knowledge of her training methods.
Yeah, he hasn't faced her in years. Even if he trained her, Ahsoka clearly became more powerful and more skilled in Rebels. And the argument works both ways: she always knew him pretty well, even if his style wasn't the same.
Her reasons don't change the fact she fled combat. She gained no ground on Maul nor did she injure him at all.
The duel was brief. They appeared to fight evenly, yes. I'm not saying Ahsoka would kick the shit out of Maul, but I am saying Ahsoka would've defeated him in the end, mainly because of two reasons: Filoni's statement regarding her combat prowess and the fact that they were fighting in a dark side nexus. It's pretty logical. Your fanboyism just refuses to let you see the truth.
I am using facts while you're ignoring them and making up a false narrative when Maul has never canonically met Vader. You're a biased fellow who doesn't debate objectively such as myself. Learn from me and don't make the mistakes of Kurk. I showed him the sun and now he's living his life in a permanent solar eclipse.
lol, the one ignoring important stuff in regards to the Ahsoka vs. Maul debate is you. And no, you're not using facts as much as you think. It's honestly laughable that you call me a 'biased fellow' when everyone here thinks/knows you're the biggest, most biased and least effective Maul fanboy on these boards. Sorry, you should quit and leave it to ILS.
Originally posted by PetrusAt first he appeared weaker to Ezra. He wasn't that weak so it was clearly deceptive. Also we know Maul was lying since he tried to kill the two best good guys later when he acted like he needed help to beat Vader. If he truly needed help why wouldn't he use the two best allies to help him defeat Vader. Logic is on my side.
Speculation, at best. That's literally your own interpretation of the story. Also, he clearly didn't mind the Jedi seeing him in action against the three Inqs. So much for 'wanting to appear weaker'... For being someone who uses 'facts' in debates, you're not making much sense.Excuse me, what? Vader didn't best Tano? What exactly were you watching? Is your eyesight damaged or something? Vader beat Tano, pal. That's just very clear and if you think otherwise, you're so deluded it's even funnier than before.
Yeah, he hasn't faced her in years. Even if he trained her, Ahsoka clearly became more powerful and more skilled in Rebels. And the argument works both ways: she always knew him pretty well, even if his style wasn't the same.
The duel was brief. They appeared to fight evenly, yes. I'm not saying Ahsoka would kick the shit out of Maul, but I am saying Ahsoka would've defeated him in the end, mainly because of two reasons: Filoni's statement regarding her combat prowess and the fact that they were fighting in a dark side nexus. It's pretty logical. Your fanboyism just refuses to let you see the truth.
lol, the one ignoring important stuff in regards to the Ahsoka vs. Maul debate is you. And no, you're not using facts as much as you think. It's honestly laughable that you call me a 'biased fellow' when everyone here thinks/knows you're the biggest, most biased and least effective Maul fanboy on these boards. Sorry, you should quit and leave it to ILS.
So Vader bested Tano despite the facial assault he received at her hands. What did Vader do to her ? 😂 seriously, you're pathetic.
So you think someone inferior and with knowledge evens the gap ? Seriously ? Wtf. Vader blew it nice again. The guy isn't very successful against peers.
Filoni is fine to have an opinion but the evidence doesn't support your claim. We go by the facts not opinions and interviews which are speculation. 😂
ILS barely debates. He also doesn't believe in Maul like I do. I am here throwing out facts and logical assumptions but you Vader fanboys don't want to hear it. You're delusional.
Originally posted by Petrus
It's honestly laughable that you call me a 'biased fellow' when everyone here thinks/knows you're the biggest, most biased and least effective Maul fanboy on these boards. Sorry, you should quit and leave it to ILS.
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Yes Quanchi leave. Can you not see everyone here has had enough of you spreading BS here pretending to be a SW fan?
Go bump your ST vs SW thread for an 8th time and hope someone is desperate enough to respond 😂
Originally posted by Darth ThorAnother feminine characteristic rearing its darth Thor head. You are trying to use popularity as some badge of merit. Are you done humiliating yourself ? I imagine you're smearing lipstick all over your face saying I matter over and over again.
👆Yes Quanchi leave. Can you not see everyone here has had enough of you spreading BS here pretending to be a SW fan?
Go bump your ST vs SW thread for an 8th time and hope someone is desperate enough to respond 😂
Playa responded. You ran from another Star Trek Star Wars challenge. You're like Luke.
Originally posted by quanchi112
At first he appeared weaker to Ezra. He wasn't that weak so it was clearly deceptive. Also we know Maul was lying since he tried to kill the two best good guys later when he acted like he needed help to beat Vader. If he truly needed help why wouldn't he use the two best allies to help him defeat Vader. Logic is on my side.
It's funny how you decided to conveniently ignore the part of my argument where yours stops making sense. You said he was only pretending to be weak to deceive the Jedi, and I countered by saying it sure did not seem like that when he went all-out against the three Inqs simultaneously in front of the Jedi and proceeded to fight against them with the Jedi side by side.
And he betrayed them because, in case you forgot, he wanted the Holocron for himself. If Vader arrived and he still wasn't in possession of it, he knew things would get complicated. It's pretty obvious. So no, logic isn't on your side, as usual.
So Vader bested Tano despite the facial assault he received at her hands. What did Vader do to her ? 😂 seriously, you're pathetic.
Rofl, calling me pathetic won't act as a counter to your pathetic arguments, kid. Besides, just face it. You're pretty much the most pathetic Maul fanboy there is.
We all know that argument is as ridiculous as it gets, but just for the sake of it, I'll attempt to show you just how stupid you're being by saying she beat Vader.
Your memory seems to fail you often, so I'll refresh it. This is how the actual duel between Vader and Ahsoka ended:
Vader outduels her and TKs her off the temple. He then walks away and heads towards the Holocron. The moment you're referring to---when Ahsoka partially slices Vader's helmet off---happened when Vader was distracted, had his guard down and wasn't at all expecting an attack from behind. If that, to you, qualifies as 'beating Vader', well, your extremely faulty logic fails you once more. 👆
So you think someone inferior and with knowledge evens the gap ? Seriously ? Wtf. Vader blew it nice again. The guy isn't very successful against peers.
Again, funny how you turn your argument around when you have nothing to counter. You said Vader knew her moves and style thoroughly and still 'got beat', according to you. I said it also works the other way around, and I also mentioned the clear fact that Ahsoka became considerably more powerful in Rebels. Do you have an actual counter or not?
Filoni is fine to have an opinion but the evidence doesn't support your claim. We go by the facts not opinions and interviews which are speculation. 😂
Lmao, an 'opinion'. Now a statement from the, for the third time, executive producer and director of the show---someone who, you know, basically runs the show---is just an opinion? You're so deluded it's hilarious. He decides what happens in the show. The guy that decides what happens in Rebels just said only Vader and Palpatine can defeat Ahsoka. Deal. With. It.
The evidence isn't on your side, kid. We saw Ahsoka and Maul duel very briefly until she ran off to save Ezra from Vader. It looked even, sure. But you---not surprisingly---fail to acknowledge the fact that they were fighting on a dark side nexus. The type of nexus that allows dark siders to fly around with their cool lightsabers.
Hell, even if there was no dark side nexus, we can't use their extremely brief duel to reach a conclusion. You really have no way of knowing how the duel would've ended, so you simply can't use it in Maul's favor.
ILS barely debates. He also doesn't believe in Maul like I do. I am here throwing out facts and logical assumptions but you Vader fanboys don't want to hear it. You're delusional.
'Throwing out facts and logical assumptions' LMAO.
Originally posted by PetrusHe was pretending to need them to get them to comply until he was rid of the Inquisitors. He obviously showed he was powerful but he hasn't achieved his objective nor was it in his best interest to turn on the good guys until the Inquisitors were dealt with.
It's funny how you decided to conveniently ignore the part of my argument where yours stops making sense. You said he was only pretending to be weak to deceive the Jedi, and I countered by saying it sure did not seem like that when he went all-out against the three Inqs simultaneously in front of the Jedi and proceeded to fight against them with the Jedi side by side.
No shit but he also knew it was a possibility Vader might arrive before he acquired it. If he completely believed he couldn't best Vader why turn on the good guys until he knew more. The only choice that makes sense is he believed in his own abilities against Vader since he wasn't privy to Vader's location at the time. You're the one ignoring key aspects of the circumstances to sell this he's afraid of Vader case when his actions don't support this trepidation about Vader.
And he betrayed them because, in case you forgot, he wanted the Holocron for himself. If Vader arrived and he still wasn't in possession of it, he knew things would get complicated. It's pretty obvious. So no, logic isn't on your side, as usual.[/B]
Well you acted pathetic so deal with the consequences of behaving like a child. Your opinion is of no importance to me, fanboy.
Rofl, calling me pathetic won't act as a counter to your pathetic arguments, kid. Besides, just face it. You're pretty much the most pathetic Maul fanboy there is.We all know that argument is as ridiculous as it gets, but just for the sake of it, I'll attempt to show you just how stupid you're being by saying she beat Vader.
Your memory seems to fail you often, so I'll refresh it. This is how the actual duel between Vader and Ahsoka ended:
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Their duel hadn't ended at that point. I guess you missed the final scene between her and Vader dueling after she hit his helmet. They were dueling as Ezra and Kanan escaped. According to you that never happened or didn't count. Ignoring reality to sell your bias is pathetic.
Excuses. He was distracted but he has precog and she had a lot of distance to cover to get close to him. He failed to react. He was in the process of trying to react. She got the better of him. She was the only one who landed a critical hit. How was Tano's health as the episode concluded ?
Vader outduels her and TKs her off the temple. He then walks away and heads towards the Holocron. The moment you're referring to---when Ahsoka partially slices Vader's helmet off---happened when Vader was distracted, had his guard down and wasn't at all expecting an attack from behind. If that, to you, qualifies as 'beating Vader', well, your extremely faulty logic fails you once more. 👆Again, funny how you turn your argument around when you have nothing to counter. You said Vader knew her moves and style thoroughly and still 'got beat', according to you. I said it also works the other way around, and I also mentioned the clear fact that Ahsoka became considerably more powerful in Rebels. Do you have an actual counter or not?[/B]
Yes, it is an opinion. Do you not know what opinions are ? He doesn't have complete control and he also said the show didn't make sense with Vader killing Maul so quit ignoring the fact this storyline was altered. You're an idiot and do not know the difference between a fact and someone's opinion. Should I post the definition of an opinion for you ?Lmao, an 'opinion'. Now a statement from the, for the third time, executive producer and director of the show---someone who, you know, basically runs the show---is just an opinion? You're so deluded it's hilarious. He decides what happens in the show. The guy that decides what happens in Rebels just said only Vader and Palpatine can defeat Ahsoka. Deal. With. It.
The evidence isn't on your side, kid. We saw Ahsoka and Maul duel very briefly until she ran off to save Ezra from Vader. It looked even, sure. But you---not surprisingly---fail to acknowledge the fact that they were fighting on a dark side nexus. The type of nexus that allows dark siders to fly around with their cool lightsabers. [/B]
So you want to ignore that aspect of it for Maul but act like it doesn't matter for Vader. Bias. Double standards. You're done here.
Hell, even if there was no dark side nexus, we can't use their extremely brief duel to reach a conclusion. You really have no way of knowing how the duel would've ended, so you simply can't use it in Maul's favor.'Throwing out facts and logical assumptions' LMAO. [/B]
Originally posted by quanchi112
He was pretending to need them to get them to comply until he was rid of the Inquisitors. He obviously showed he was powerful but he hasn't achieved his objective nor was it in his best interest to turn on the good guys until the Inquisitors were dealt with.
No shit but he also knew it was a possibility Vader might arrive before he acquired it. If he completely believed he couldn't best Vader why turn on the good guys until he knew more. The only choice that makes sense is he believed in his own abilities against Vader since he wasn't privy to Vader's location at the time. You're the one ignoring key aspects of the circumstances to sell this he's afraid of Vader case when his actions don't support this trepidation about Vader.
Now you say he obviously showed he was powerful, but before I countered you were saying he was 'deceiving them into making them think he's weak', lol. 👆
Him turning on the Jedi doesn't mean he's better than Vader. You continue to ignore the dark nexus. He might've not known where Vader was, but are you seriously going to tell me he was planning on facing him? Or that he wanted to? Even with Ezra, Kanan and Ahsoka there, as well? Mmkay. 👆
Well you acted pathetic so deal with the consequences of behaving like a child. Your opinion is of no importance to me, fanboy.
Please. Save yourself the embarrassment.
Their duel hadn't ended at that point. I guess you missed the final scene between her and Vader dueling after she hit his helmet. They were dueling as Ezra and Kanan escaped. According to you that never happened or didn't count. Ignoring reality to sell your bias is pathetic.
It ended, and it started again for the second time. Or is that too difficult for you to comprehend? And hey, I didn't miss shit, but please tell me exactly how does that final scene help your argument? Vader survived [although injured by the explosion], and Ahsoka flees. So? What's your point?
Excuses. He was distracted but he has precog and she had a lot of distance to cover to get close to him. He failed to react. He was in the process of trying to react. She got the better of him. She was the only one who landed a critical hit.
Oh, okay. Let's use this logic against Maul, then.
Blind Kanan > Maul.
Yes, it is an opinion. Do you not know what opinions are ? He doesn't have complete control and he also said the show didn't make sense with Vader killing Maul so quit ignoring the fact this storyline was altered. You're an idiot and do not know the difference between a fact and someone's opinion. Should I post the definition of an opinion for you ?
Do you not know what being the director and executive producer of a show means? Are you retarded or something? He has a shitload of control over what happens and what doesn't happen in S3 of Rebels. Like it or not, kid.
So you want to ignore that aspect of it for Maul but act like it doesn't matter for Vader. Bias. Double standards. You're done here.
When did I ignore it? Vader beat Ahsoka. He threw her off a cliff with TK after pushing her back with sabers. Without the nexus it would've been closer. On the other hand, we see Maul and Ahsoka duel only very briefly and neither of them gets the upper hand. Maul couldn't manage to get the upper hand against her in a dark side nexus whereas Vader clearly could. How's this helping you? And you conveniently keep ignoring the nexus on your other arguments. The one that should've been 'done here' a long time ago is you, rofl.
Originally posted by PetrusHe had to defeat the Inquisitors because they were an obstacle. He feigned needing them to calm down their uneasiness with allying with a known dark sider. So he needed them as I said to aid in defeating all three Inquisitors. Once he did so he proceeded to eliminate the other two good guys. If he was that fearful of Vader why not bring in more possible allies until he knew Vader's whereabouts.
Now you say he obviously showed he was powerful, but before I countered you were saying he was 'deceiving them into making them think he's weak', lol. 👆Him turning on the Jedi doesn't mean he's better than Vader. You continue to ignore the dark nexus. He might've not known where Vader was, but are you seriously going to tell me he was planning on facing him? Or that he wanted to? Even with Ezra, Kanan and Ahsoka there, as well? Mmkay. 👆
Please. Save yourself the embarrassment.
Show me anything that points to the dark nexus being an undeniable amp in no way the episode went into explain. If there was a dark side nexus it wouldn't give him an advantage against Vader so who the **** cares. I didn't say he was planning on facing him I'm saying he knew it was a possibility he might have no choice after he disposed of the good guys.
You said their duel ended at that point. False. It ended after they re engaged since neither party was injured and it continued. Tano wasn't injured at all. Vader was. That's telling. Quit making excuses for why Vader didn't put down his former student or at least injure her.It ended, and it started again for the second time. Or is that too difficult for you to comprehend? And hey, I didn't miss shit, but please tell me exactly how does that final scene help your argument? Vader survived [although injured by the explosion], and Ahsoka flees. So? What's your point?
Oh, okay. Let's use this logic against Maul, then.
Blind Kanan > Maul.
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Maul blinded him and had him beaten. Tano had to save his life. No one saved Tano against Vader. Different circumstances entirely so save me the trouble of seeing your troll logic.
That is his opinion you stupid ****. The show gives us the facts not some random interview where he says something. That's an opinion you pile of shit no matter how informed it is. Opinions vary. Facts are what the show gives us.
Do you not know what being the director and executive producer of a show means? Are you retarded or something? He has a shitload of control over what happens and what doesn't happen in S3 of Rebels. Like it or not, kid.When did I ignore it? Vader beat Ahsoka. He threw her off a cliff with TK after pushing her back with sabers. Without the nexus it would've been closer. On the other hand, we see Maul and Ahsoka duel only very briefly and neither of them gets the upper hand. Maul couldn't manage to get the upper hand against her in a dark side nexus whereas Vader clearly could. How's this helping you? And you conveniently keep ignoring the nexus on your other arguments. The one that should've been 'done here' a long time ago is you, rofl. [/B]
No, he didn't beat her since she wasn't injured nor was she down and out. So you're saying without the nexus Vader barely temp bfrd her and without it he could do what ? Tano left the duel with Maul so please stop. Vader and she fought longer before Vader bfrd her. Tano on the other hand didn't injure Maul at all but she did so to Vader.
Prove the nexus amped them. You continue to just debate based off speculation. What's wrong with you ? Such low standards here for debating.