Originally posted by MS Warehouse
Great, so you established that Dun Moch had no bearing on Galen's victory. Good.
Originally posted by UCanShootMyNova
Thank you for proving my point. 🙂
Lmao are you guys illiterate? Galen flat out admits he can't beat Vader with the Dark Side so he uses Dun Möch instead.
I'm going to have to ask you the same.
Because CLEARLY if you were literate you would have taken note that Galen attempts Dun Moch at the beginning of the quote you provided, that it then subsequently backfires serving to enrage Vader and allowing to have one of his only moments of success during the fight before Galen admits that he can't beat Vader using hatred.
The text then goes on to show what Galen's revised strategy since his Dun Moch backfired.
"Reaching out with his left hand, he blasted his Master with Sith lightning. That broke the momentum of the furious onslaught, enabling him to stand and catch his breath.
"I don't need to hate you in order to beat you," he gasped. "That's something I will teach you now."
"You can teach me nothing," Darth Vader's leaden voice intoned. One black glove clenched, and for a moment the apprentice's throat closed tight.
He beat back the telekinetic attack with one of his own, shoving his Master in the chest with the force of a small explosion, throwing Darth Vader backward across the room.
For all his size and occasional clumsiness, the Dark Lord was sure on his feet. He landed upright and launched himself back into the fray.
"I don't hate you," the apprentice went on, blocking him blow for blow. "I pity you." With a new strength of his own, he forced Darth Vader onto his back foot. "You destroyed who I was and made me as I am now, but this wasn't your idea. It was the Emperor's, and it's what he's already done to you." A strip of Darth Vader's cape fluttered away, smoking. The two came closer together until they were face-to-mask. The apprentice stared directly into the black eye guards of his former Master. "You are his creature just as I was yours-but you've never had the strength to rebel. That's why I pity you. I will no longer serve a monster, and if I have my way I'll make sure you don't, either."
Vader tried to pull away, but the apprentice followed him, keeping him on the back foot.
"I will kill you," he said, "to set you free."
The lightsabers flashed again-and it was the apprentice who found the chink in the armor that both of them had been waiting for. Vader's lightsaber moved too slowly to block a blow to his chest, allowing the apprentice's blade to slash deeply across his armored throat. Vader staggered backward, gloved hand upraised to the smoking wound." - The Force Unleashed.
Originally posted by UCanShootMyNova
I'm going to have to ask you the same.Because CLEARLY if you were literate you would have taken note that Galen attempts Dun Moch at the beginning of the quote you provided, that it then subsequently backfires serving to enrage Vader and allowing to have one of his only moments of success during the fight before Galen admits that he can't beat Vader using hatred.
The text then goes on to show what Galen's revised strategy since his Dun Moch backfired.
"Reaching out with his left hand, he blasted his Master with Sith lightning. That broke the momentum of the furious onslaught, enabling him to stand and catch his breath.
[b]"I don't need to hate you in order to beat you,"
he gasped. "That's something I will teach you now.""You can teach me nothing," Darth Vader's leaden voice intoned. One black glove clenched, and for a moment the apprentice's throat closed tight.
He beat back the telekinetic attack with one of his own, shoving his Master in the chest with the force of a small explosion, throwing Darth Vader backward across the room.
For all his size and occasional clumsiness, the Dark Lord was sure on his feet. He landed upright and launched himself back into the fray.
"I don't hate you," the apprentice went on, blocking him blow for blow. "I pity you." With a new strength of his own, he forced Darth Vader onto his back foot. "You destroyed who I was and made me as I am now, but this wasn't your idea. It was the Emperor's, and it's what he's already done to you." A strip of Darth Vader's cape fluttered away, smoking. The two came closer together until they were face-to-mask. The apprentice stared directly into the black eye guards of his former Master. "You are his creature just as I was yours-but you've never had the strength to rebel. That's why I pity you. I will no longer serve a monster, and if I have my way I'll make sure you don't, either."
Vader tried to pull away, but the apprentice followed him, keeping him on the back foot.
"I will kill you," he said, "to set you free."
The lightsabers flashed again-and it was the apprentice who found the chink in the armor that both of them had been waiting for. Vader's lightsaber moved too slowly to block a blow to his chest, allowing the apprentice's blade to slash deeply across his armored throat. Vader staggered backward, gloved hand upraised to the smoking wound." - The Force Unleashed. [/B]
Originally posted by cs_zoltan
I mean how he oneshots Kota, has a verbal conversation with Galen, throws the table through 3 stone pillars and still almost oneshots Galen.
I believe this is the scene you're reffering to?
"Starkiller stood framed by the pillars in the northern wall of the eagle's nest. He was frozen in the pose of one thoroughly beaten yet barely, defiantly, contained. His eyes blazed. His fists shook.
Darth Vader inclined his head. "You have done well, my apprentice. "
Bail Organa hissed audibly between his teeth. If looks could kill, Starkiller would have dropped on the spot. Garm Bel Iblis had turned a deep shade of purple, and Mon Mothma was as rigid and pale as a sculpture in ice.
Before Starkiller could reach out for where his lightsaber lay fallen on the ground, the stone conference table lifted into the air and hurled itself at him. Crashing through three of the pillars and catching him squarely in the chest, it drove him out into the snow. Ignoring everyone else in the room, Vader strode heavily after him, lightsaber raised." - The Force Unleashed.
The text states he's in shock and attempting to retrieve his lightsaber so that he'll be able to engage Vader rather then be left weaponless. It's clearly not an accurate representation of how an actual fight between the two would go down as we can see clearly from their fight on the Death Star.
Originally posted by UCanShootMyNova
I'm going to have to ask you the same.Because CLEARLY if you were literate you would have taken note that Galen attempts Dun Moch at the beginning of the quote you provided, that it then subsequently backfires serving to enrage Vader and allowing to have one of his only moments of success during the fight before Galen admits that he can't beat Vader using hatred.
The text then goes on to show what Galen's revised strategy since his Dun Moch backfired.
Lmao, Dun Möch's point is to enrage them and lose control. Which Galen notes how he struck a nerve:
The sizzling of fabric and a faint stink of burning skin told him that at least two of Darth Vader's misses had been horribly near, but he felt no pain. He, on the other hand, had definitely struck a nerve.
And then when he recognizes that he notes to himself how he can't beat Vader through his own hatred, not Vader's:
Glancing over Darth Vader's shoulder, he saw the Emperor watching the duel, his face screwed up in malevolent delight. And the apprentice understood. A better way to kill. . .
Not out of hatred. Whatever lay beneath that black mask, it wasn't beauty or happiness. Only ugliness and pain would hide itself away for so long. Hatred would not be enough to turn the tables on Darth Vader.
Then keeps on using Dun Möch which you already quoted for me, thanks:
Originally posted by UCanShootMyNova
"Reaching out with his left hand, he blasted his Master with Sith lightning. That broke the momentum of the furious onslaught, enabling him to stand and catch his breath.[b]"I don't need to hate you in order to beat you,"
he gasped. "That's something I will teach you now." Dun Möch"You can teach me nothing," Darth Vader's leaden voice intoned. One black glove clenched, and for a moment the apprentice's throat closed tight.
He beat back the telekinetic attack with one of his own, shoving his Master in the chest with the force of a small explosion, throwing Darth Vader backward across the room.
For all his size and occasional clumsiness, the Dark Lord was sure on his feet. He landed upright and launched himself back into the fray.
"I don't hate you," the apprentice went on, blocking him blow for blow. Dun Möch
"I pity you." Dun Möch
With a new strength of his own, he forced Darth Vader onto his back foot. "You destroyed who I was and made me as I am now, but this wasn't your idea. It was the Emperor's, and it's what he's already done to you." A strip of Darth Vader's cape fluttered away, smoking. The two came closer together until they were face-to-mask. The apprentice stared directly into the black eye guards of his former Master. "You are his creature just as I was yours-but you've never had the strength to rebel. That's why I pity you. I will no longer serve a monster, and if I have my way I'll make sure you don't, either." Dun MöchVader tried to pull away, but the apprentice followed him, keeping him on the back foot.
"I will kill you," he said, "to set you free." Dun Möch
The lightsabers flashed again-and it was the apprentice who found the chink in the armor that both of them had been waiting for. Vader's lightsaber moved too slowly to block a blow to his chest, allowing the apprentice's blade to slash deeply across his armored throat. Vader staggered backward, gloved hand upraised to the smoking wound." - The Force Unleashed. [/B]
@Zoltan: The point of Dun Moch is to UNBALANCE your opponent. Not enrage them.
If your Dun Moch enrages your opponent and they start doing BETTER against you that's not a sign that it was successful.
If that were the case Dooku's Dun Moch could be considered top tier. Lol
This is getting kind of pitiful tbh.
Those are are examples of Galen using Dun Moch those are examples of him drawing on the Lightside to defeat Vader resisting his hatred for the man who had taken everything from him. As we see in the quote you provided Galen's attempted Dun Moch failed which is why he decided to reassess his strategy.
Originally posted by UCanShootMyNova
@Zoltan: The nerve he struck allowing Vader to actually gain an advantage against Galen where before they had been dueling evenly and then causing Galen to reassess his strategy. Lol.
Really?
So first Galen refuses to use hatred, and opts to use Dun Möch:
The apprentice felt the wild, joyous energies of the dark side flowing through him and he resisted its call, seeking a better way to finish the job.
Then he manages to stike a nerv, thinks he can't win through hatred and goes on to use Dun Möch as he had before.
Reassessing strategy indeed 👆
He manages to enrage Vader which allowed him to land a few strikes on Galen*
He then realizes taunting him is not working out successfully and revises his strategy.
"Hatred would not be enough to turn the tables on Darth Vader." - The Force Unleashed.
The rest of the fight is him telling Vader how he's going to free him from Sidious's hold and that he himself is free of the Darkside rather then taunting Vader for being weak or having no father as he had done previously.
Originally posted by UCanShootMyNova
He then realizes taunting him is not working out successfully and revises his strategy.The rest of the fight is him taunting Vader for being weak or having no father as he had done previously.
He then realizes taunting him is not working, keeps tauning him anway.
Lmao Syn you are below shit tier.
Originally posted by MS Warehouse😂
You like to do that a lot don't you Beni? Post something and then claim it as indisputable fact?
Originally posted by UCanShootMyNovaLink me tbh.
Beni, read through the thread. I've read your blog multiple times as Zoltan tends to post it whenever he comes up against me. I've already written several dissertations on it.He just tends to ignore that fact in favor of his own feebly constructed reality and choosing to, instead of responding to my points, continue to post the same link I've already countered over and over.
Originally posted by cs_zoltan
He then realizes taunting him is not working, keeps tauning him anway.Lmao Syn you are below shit tier.
And now I know why people tell me you're a shit debater. You aren't even bothering to address the point instead focusing on posting errors which I fixed a second later.
F*ck off.
Edit: F*ck you twice actually. You cut my original post anyways @sshole.