Great Battles Vol 1: Darth Plagueis vs. Vitiate (Revan novel)

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
I know, but "the publishers" suggest someone of authority, while "some guy from marketing," as Drew put it, is not.

Nor is the fact that Drew was or chose not to be involved in the writing of the blurb mean anything, as there are plenty of sources on the Revan novel written without Drew's consultance or consent. As he himself has said, he's not an authority on Canon.

Fact is that it was written by Del Rey and/or Lucas Liscensing, to invalidate it therefore you're invalidating their authority. Simple.

So is Murr > Sidious? Because the publisher summary said his power is like something "unlike he [Vader] ever witnessed" I view summaries/novel blurbs as hyperbolic advertisement that uses catchy phrases and tag-lines to grab your attention.

Whether you agree or not, with that interpretation, is up to you guys [Beni, or Eli]. I respect differing opinions nonetheless.

To be fair, that "never witnessed" might be referring to mutating humans into Rakghouls.

Originally posted by Deronn_solo
So is Murr > Sidious? Because the publisher summary said his power is like something "unlike he [Vader] ever witnessed" I view summaries/novel blurbs has hyperbolic advertisement that uses catchy phrases and tag-lines to grab your attention.

Whether you agree or not, with that interpretation, is up to you guys [Beni, or Eli]. I respect differing opinions nonetheless.

That quote just suggests that Murr's abilities are different, not superior on an absolute scale.

But nobody's suggesting that publisher's blurbs are infallible; they can be overwritten or forced to be reinterpreted against other evidence. It's just no such evidence seems to contradict the Plagueis one.

Originally posted by MythLord
To be fair, that "never witnessed" might be referring to mutating humans into Rakghouls.

Nah, it specifically noted a "unleashed a force". I doubt it had anything to do with his penchant for alchemy.

Well saying its hyperbolic is a more reasonable line of argument that arguing it holds no weight, however blurbs don't always have to employ hyperbole to be "catchy".

For example when the blurb for the Revan novel states that Revan has "never faced a more powerful and diabolic enemy" in Vitiate, it's not exaggerating, it is true.

There is also a difference between hyperbole and falsehood, the former is an exaggeration of the truth not intended to be the taken literally, the latter is just false. In this case I don't see how Plagueis being "the most powerful Sith Lord who ever lived" can be interpreted as an exaggeration, he either is or he isn't. An as Elm has described, it's well founded in the text.

Originally posted by Deronn_solo
Nah, it specifically noted a "unleashed a force". I doubt it had anything to do with his penchant for alchemy.

It's not as if it says its "greater" or "more powerful" than anything he's ever witnessed.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
The force being an ancient Sith spirit who could turn people into rakghouls, when has he ever witnessed something remotely similar?

It's not as if it says its "greater" or "more powerful" than anything he's ever witnessed.

Ah, fair snuff.

Honestly though, if we were to take the "it's hyperbole" route in relation to blurbs then there ceases to be a basis for taking the SWTORE seriously on Vitiate being "the most powerful Force-user who has ever existed" when it also describes him as "the living embodiment of the dark side." 👆

Originally posted by Beniboybling
Honestly though, if we were to take the "it's hyperbole" route in relation to blurbs then there ceases to be a basis for taking the SWTORE seriously on Vitiate being "the most powerful Force-user who has ever existed" when it also describes him as "the living embodiment of the dark side." 👆

They are narrative dramatisations, designed to impress the reader, catching his or her attention. Much like blurbs in that respect.

Originally posted by Deronn_solo
So is Murr > Sidious? Because the publisher summary said his power is like something "unlike he [Vader] ever witnessed" I view summaries/novel blurbs as hyperbolic advertisement that uses catchy phrases and tag-lines to grab your attention.

It could very well be that Vader has never witnessed the extent of the Emperor's powers. Which, in fact, seems quite likely.

Originally posted by The_Tempest
It could very well be that Vader has never witnessed the extent of the Emperor's powers. Which, in fact, seems quite likely.

Yeah, you maybe right. Especially since the story took place literally weeks after RotS, IIRC.

Originally posted by Deronn_solo
Yeah, you maybe right. Especially since the story took place literally weeks after RotS, IIRC.

About a month IIRC, yeah.

Originally posted by The Ellimist
On a nexus that strengthened him and hindered Meetra, sure.

Even then they weren't equals, Meetra outperforms him greatly in both of the fights they take part in.

Originally posted by AncientPower
Even then they weren't equals, Meetra outperforms him greatly in both of the fights they take part in.

Yeah, I don't know where people get this impression that Scourge is Meetra's peer from. He was basically useless during the Nyriss fight even though Surik was incredibly hindered and on a dark side nexus.

Not sure if AP agrees with this, but Scourge is pretty trash in the Revan novel. As in, sub-Sirak level.

I wouldn't go that far.

He tanks Darth Xedrix's gathered Force Lightning barrage, dodges an auto-targeting blaster cannon and is a master of multiple forms, including Juyo. Nyriss nearly B-teamed him and flattened him completely with TK, a far cry from Meetra's own performance against Nyriss.

Meetra being better than a guy who nearly dies to combat droids is hardl impressive.

Your incohesive babbling isn't going to be entertained by me, you're MS tier.