It's really not. Any feat war you can wage with Plagueis vs Vitiate would probably be rendered mute when you powerscale off Nihilus or Revan.
And in terms of accolades, Vitiate's status as a "almost godlike" being who consumed the power of eight thousand Sith Lords is certainly sufficient. 👆
Once again, the only argument for Darth Plagueis is the blurb, in which the people who follow that probably think Darth Plagueis wins anyway.
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
It's really not. Any feat war you can wage with Plagueis vs Vitiate would probably be rendered mute when you powerscale off Nihilus or Revan.
Aren't you currently entertaining the stance that Revan was rather close to Vitiate, especially neutral ground Vitiate? Most people here rank Plagueis over Revan, so it's entirely plausible for them to have Plagueis match or beat Vitiate.
And in terms of accolades, Vitiate's status as a "almost godlike" being who consumed the power of eight thousand Sith Lords is certainly sufficient. 👆
Vitiate obviously didn't wield the summative power of all eight thousand of them. "Almost godlike" is rather unquantifiable, as TOR hands out comparable accolades like milk cartons to Sith vastly inferior to Plagueis.
There's another interesting comparison to be had here. Plagueis' use of the Force on Aborah saturated it with enough power to make it comparable to Sith worlds (inferrably including the likes of Dromund Kaas). Granted, the power of such worlds had likely wasted away somewhat since the days of The Old Republic, but Vitiate had a millennium's worth of rituals to enact on Dromund Kaas, and the planet was already potent in the dark side, before the planet became saturated with that dark power as seen in the novel. Plagueis had mere decades.
Once again, the only argument for Darth Plagueis is the blurb, in which the people who follow that probably think Darth Plagueis wins anyway.
An all-out fight on neutral ground, 15 meters apart, is certainly a situation that Plagueis could emerge victorious from.
Originally posted by cs_zoltan
Vitiate was 10 too:When they met face-to-face, Tenebrae proved the stronger. Only ten years old, he stripped his father of his power and his mind.
Unless you mean his adoptive father?
Ah, that makes it even better. Plagueis has a very genuine chance now - perhaps even in Force-only.
Originally posted by SunRazer
Aren't you currently entertaining the stance that Revan was rather close to Vitiate? Most people here rank Plagueis over Revan, so it's entirely plausible for Plagueis to match or beat Vitiate indeed. .
Vitiate obviously didn't wield the summative power of all eight thousand of them.
"Almost godlike" is rather unquantifiable, as TOR hands out comparable accolades like milk cartons to Sith vastly inferior to Plagueis.
There's another interesting comparison to be had here. Plagueis' use of the Force on Aborah saturated it with enough power to make it comparable to Sith worlds (inferrably including the likes of Dromund Kaas). Granted, the power of such worlds had likely wasted away somewhat since the days of The Old Republic, but Vitiate had a millennium's worth of rituals to enact on Dromund Kaas, and the was already potent in the dark side, before the planet became saturated with that dark power. Plagueis had mere decades.
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
The intent of the blog was to push Revan closer to Plagueis, not just lower Vitiate.
I didn't say it was to lower Vitiate, but for those who rank Plagueis over Revan, as I do, it's not difficult to entertain the notion of contending or even beating Vitiate on neutral ground.
I'm glad you're now a canonical authority on Legends. 👆
Why is it that every time somebody passes judgment on something - in a discussion forum of all places - people start to mock them as if they're pretending that they're canonical authorities? I never said that - but that's my take on it.
Regardless, if we want to defer to Legends as the highest authority, Revan shouldn't be even remotely comparing to the power of eight thousand Sith Lords + a Sith Lord who was vastly more powerful than his child self, who already capable of Severing other Sith Lords. Because much smaller congregations of Force users have managed feats far beyond Revan's capabilities.
There's no comparable accolades. And no, being "supremely powerful" isn't comparable. Don't even.
Indeed?
supreme
suːˈpriːm/
adjective
adjective: supreme1.
highest in rank or authority.
"a unified force with a supreme commander"2.
very great or the greatest.
"he was nerving himself for a supreme effort"
But even if you forget what I said about comparable accolades, TOR calls Thanaton "supremely powerful", Baras "near-indestructible", claims that the Dread Masters have "unprecedented power", the Galactic War being "nothing" in comparison to Soa's power, and your average Darth "the embodiment of death". I recall some other Sith being stated to possess "immeasurable power".
Here's the important part. Given how some/most of these characters don't even hold a candle to Plagueis, I'm wondering - is it really so difficult to believe that Hego might not share an accolade similar to Vitiate's were he written in such a wank-filled medium?
Quote me on where it took Vitiate a millennium to turn Kaas into a nexus.
See the edit. I'm not referring to Vitiate taking a millennium to produce a nexus (it was already strong in the dark side before he arrived there), but a millennium to produce the nexus as seen in the novel. And whilst that nexus might've weakened over the millennia up to RotE era, Plagueis producing comparable nexuses in mere decades suggests that he's comparable to Vitiate, especially since he didn't have the help of the location already being strong in the dark side.
Did Plagueis merely form the nexus on the island, or across the entire planet? If the former, that's the most absurd comparison ever. You can't compare a planetary nexus in which the power is dispersed among all the land to a small area where Force energy would be concentrated.
And no, those aren't comparable accolades. You're missing the point, anyway.
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Did Plagueis merely form the nexus on the island, or across the entire planet? If the former, that's the most absurd comparison ever. You can't compare a planetary nexus in which the power is dispersed among all the land to a small area where Force energy would be concentrated.
On revision, it's the island that's a "transcendent vortex of dark energy unlike anything [Palpatine] had ever experienced".
Which is still fine, thanks to this little gem:
It was something he would have expected to encounter only on Korriban or some other Sith world.-- Darth Plagueis
Ergo, this is referring to specific spots of the DK/whatever else's nexus, not the planet as a whole. So something like the Dark Temple could well be included here. The comparison stands.
And no, those aren't comparable accolades. You're missing the point, anyway.
Actually, you're missing the point. I'm saying that if the average Darth is "the embodiment of death", you don't think that Plagueis would be "almost godlike" by TOR standards as well?
Originally posted by MS Warehouse
There is so much stupid in that one statement...
Right. Vitiate didn't even move his pathetic ass from a nexus between Nathema and KotFE.
DK nexus, Ziost nexus, Yavin IV nexus, Zakuul nexus.
Are you trying to imitate Legend? Because you are doing a really good job of being utter shit 👆
Right. Vitiate didn't even move his pathetic ass from a nexus between Nathema and KotFE.
DK nexus, Ziost nexus, Yavin IV nexus, Zakuul nexus.
Are you trying to imitate Legend? Because you are doing a really good job of being utter shit
Re: Great Battles Vol 1: Darth Plagueis vs. Vitiate (Revan novel)
Originally posted by The Ellimist
1. Who takes a combat purely of the Force, how thoroughly, and why?
2. Who would take victory in an all-out confrontation, how thoroughly, and why?The contest takes place on neutral ground, with a 15 meter starting distance. Both sides have access to an adequate information on the other.
I'm prepared to side with Plagueis in both rounds. He's an exceptionally powerful and ferocious combatant and Vitiate, for all his power, was pretty underwhelming in Revan.
It will be interesting to see someone actually make a case for Vitiate here.
Here let me spell it out for you because it seems your cognitive functions are not developed enough to comprehend simple english.
I didn't say that Vitiate was on Nathema until KotFE, I said he was on various nexuses until KotFE. Which you should've realized when I started listing the nexuses he was on between Nathema and KotFE 😬