Well it's probably like if a religious person asked you "Oh what religion are you?"
and you said "What? Nothing. I don't believe in that."
and they in turn TOLD you "Oh so you're Agnostic."
I mean, you didn't say you were agnostic. That was put on you. In your head though, you may be thinking "What? I'm not agnostic. I'm none of your shit."
So that's probably what the other non-traditional gendered folks think. It's not quite the same, but I figure that's probably how they feel.
Originally posted by red g jacks
yea and that's all fine and honestly i'm not anti-2spiritperson or whatever but it just honestly sounds like gibberish to me. i can get identifying with the opposite sex from what you were born. but beyond that are there really so many different types of confused genders? i mean where does it end? or is it just a spectrum of attributes and you can draw lines where you please? in which case either gender shouldn't be something we assign to ourselves as a label or they should try to minimize the number of different ones floating around, imo.
can you give me some examples of what you mean? i'm interested to hear about this.this also makes me wonder what the biological driver for this sort of thing is? i mean "gender" as was traditionally understood in binary terms made sense biologically... but if its so common for people to mentally identify with a different gender than their biological sex then i would be curious how evolution has selected for such a thing.
I'm on phone so sorry if link doesn't work. When home I can send more examples and sources. But basically while tumblr and stuff may act weird about it and be overly agressive, humanity has had many genre systems with more than male and female so it's not something modern rich people made up.
Originally posted by red g jacks
so someone posted this on another forum i frequentqLg4ede_ZDI#t=102
i won't bother questioning it there because they are sensitive as **** and i am known for being insensitive and it would just turn into a shitstorm
but i am really sort of confused about why this sort of thing seems to keep popping up. it seems like feminism is really gaining a lot of traction and with it this transgender stuff is getting more and more attention.
i'm not trying to offend anyone but i always feel like in the back of my mind this is all bullshit and these people are just making a bunch of shit up. i can sort of grasp the idea of masculinity and femininity existing separate from biological sex and manifesting itself to varying degrees and in different forms, and sometimes people get the urge to be feminine in a male body or masculine in a female body etc. but it seems like they never stop adding more categories and shit. they just keep piling them on there. and some of them just make no sense to me. agender? you identify with no gender? how is that possible? and supposedly there's a non-gender as well? wtf. i feel like this is the result of bored white people in universities with lives that are just too comfortable.
also, people always using this sort of stalinist language like "i was born with the wrong body." that's not even biologically possible. you were born with a ****ed up brain if anything.
anybody have any thoughts? please enlighten me
Snowflake Syndrome, ie "I'm special, I'm unique and there's no one else like me!"
Personally, I don't care. If someone wants to refer to themselves as a tri-bi-gay-straight-trans-cis-non-mono-queer gender and that's as far as it goes, where's the harm. Let him/her/it/non have their little pleasures, it's their own business and others should **** off.
Originally posted by red g jacksWhat does this have to do with feminism?
so someone posted this on another forum i frequentqLg4ede_ZDI#t=102
i won't bother questioning it there because they are sensitive as **** and i am known for being insensitive and it would just turn into a shitstorm
but i am really sort of confused about why this sort of thing seems to keep popping up. it seems like feminism is really gaining a lot of traction and with it this transgender stuff is getting more and more attention.
i'm not trying to offend anyone but i always feel like in the back of my mind this is all bullshit and these people are just making a bunch of shit up. i can sort of grasp the idea of masculinity and femininity existing separate from biological sex and manifesting itself to varying degrees and in different forms, and sometimes people get the urge to be feminine in a male body or masculine in a female body etc. but it seems like they never stop adding more categories and shit. they just keep piling them on there. and some of them just make no sense to me. agender? you identify with no gender? how is that possible? and supposedly there's a non-gender as well? wtf. i feel like this is the result of bored white people in universities with lives that are just too comfortable.
also, people always using this sort of stalinist language like "i was born with the wrong body." that's not even biologically possible. you were born with a ****ed up brain if anything.
anybody have any thoughts? please enlighten me
Originally posted by Robtardyea i mean they can call themselves whatever they like
Snowflake Syndrome, ie "I'm special, I'm unique and there's no one else like me!"Personally, I don't care. If someone wants to refer to themselves as a tri-bi-gay-straight-trans-cis-non-mono-queer gender and that's as far as it goes, where's the harm. Let him/her/it/non have their little pleasures, it's their own business and others should **** off.
but isn't this just the sort of disparity between the person we wish we could be and the person we actually are? i guess i don't know whats so special about gender that all of a sudden you get to choose. you're just born into pretty much everything else that defines you.. sex, race, even religion and ideology to a large degree
so i guess i'm curious about other ways that this could be pushed forward. like the episode of south park where kyle wants to be tall and black. i mean that's his preference, it's not his fault he was born in the body of a short white jew is it? i know people are gonna say "it's just a cartoon" but i think there's some truth to that dilemma. people don't always get the physical attributes that they would like to have.
Originally posted by red g jacks
yea i mean they can call themselves whatever they likebut isn't this just the sort of disparity between the person we wish we could be and the person we actually are? i guess i don't know whats so special about gender that all of a sudden you get to choose. you're just born into pretty much everything else that defines you.. sex, race, even religion and ideology to a large degree
so i guess i'm curious about other ways that this could be pushed forward. like the episode of south park where kyle wants to be tall and black. i mean that's his preference, it's not his fault he was born in the body of a short white jew is it? i know people are gonna say "it's just a cartoon" but i think there's some truth to that dilemma. people don't always get the physical attributes that they would like to have.
More of cultural statuses and expectations put on gender, traditionally there is less flexibility in societal norms in terms of gender than other things mentioned. Which imo explains why several (much more than just in the link I posted earlier) have at least a third gender and sometimes more than three (normally separate from simply being gay) to account for the fact that a lot of people just don't fit mentally to what said culture wants of them. Should it matter? Maybe not but I personally understand struggling to understand yourself with you don't fit what people say you are supposed to be.
I don't mind equal rights, go for it, make as much money as you want in any occupation you want. But, if you are telling me "are you going out dressed like that" and I change my clothes for you only to see other people dressed in a similar way and no one is nagging them, I will have to assume you looking at me as some sort of Ken doll to dress up.
I will also assume your cray cray and insane.