Originally posted by Bardock42
Yes, feminists want men to be freed from societal oppression as well. The idea is that there shouldn't be anything like "treated like a man" or "treated like a woman" but just a "treated like a person" that goes for everyone, and throws out the shitty parts that men and women have to face.Feminists are your friends if you want to work on hardships that men face due to patriarchy.
Honestly I have never meet a feminist that feels empathy for men, neither I have ever meet a chauvinistic man who feels empathy for women.
However I can tell you that I have meet men or women that feel empathy for the opposite gender WHEN they are not on either side of an extreme ideology.
That however can't be said for the goverment or society in general.
Originally posted by Rao Kal El
Honestly I have never meet a feminist that feels empathy for men
Well, let me introduce myself....
Chauvinism and feminism are not two sides of the same coin. Feminism does not hate men, or masculinity, all it wants to achieve is gender equality (admittedly historically with mainly a focus on female issues, although not solely) and an end to a system that treats people differently based on their gender.
Originally posted by -Pr-
Shit like that is why i'm an egalitarian.
Eh, once "egalitarians" achieve anything maybe we can talk about that. So far anyone I talked to that says "I'm not a feminist, I'm an egalitarian" really just meant "I can't be bothered to do anything about what's wrong, and really would just rather have these women shut up"
Originally posted by Bardock42
Eh, once "egalitarians" achieve anything maybe we can talk about that. So far anyone I talked to that says "I'm not a feminist, I'm an egalitarian" really just meant "I can't be bothered to do anything about what's wrong, and really would just rather have these women shut up"
Or maybe I just don't think Feminist groups are really that interested in helping men in general. Hence I want proper equality.
Originally posted by -Pr-
Or maybe I just don't think Feminist groups are really that interested in helping men in general. Hence I want proper equality.
Well you have to understand that feminism historically had to focus on women due to the vast difference in treatment. And when we get to issues like how rape is handled/presented it's clear there's a reason it's still the focus. That said baring some extreme sub groups that like to talk shit online no one is anti men and tend to support men's right to act differently then the gender roles suggest
So, you are for "true" equality, Pr? What do you feel has to be achieved for that? What issues do women face that you think need to be worked on, what issues do men face? How do you think they can be worked on? Are you in any egalitarian groups that have been working towards a goal, or is this mostly lip service like I said about most egalitarians?
Originally posted by Lek Kuen
Well you have to understand that feminism historically had to focus on women due to the vast difference in treatment. And when we get to issues like how rape is handled/presented it's clear there's a reason it's still the focus. That said baring some extreme sub groups that like to talk shit online no one is anti men and tend to support men's right to act differently the gender roles suggest
This is exactly right 👆
Originally posted by Astner
Since when did feminism become synonymous with misandry?
The last part is pure conjecture on my part, since I know shitall about divorce laws(American or not) in general.