Disney Canon Prime Darth Vader

You didn't address the first part of my post.

I'm pretty sure getting older ( physically degrading ) and being on the run from Imperials ( not having a chance to use the Force or practice with your lightsaber for fear of drawing too much attention ) is a logical reason for Maul atrophying as a combatant.

Except logic dictates that Maul's skills DID degrade and that he made up for this degradation by relying on his enhanced connection to the Force which was confirmed by Filoni and based on his hatred for Obi Wan and desire to gain revenge on him. Now Maul believes Kenobi to be dead like all the other Jedi.

In a Galaxy with no allies, all his remaining family dead, the most powerful Galaxy spanning Empire in history under the control of his master who has made clear he considers Maul a liability I and being hunted by a person he has outright admitted would defeat him in combat I can't imagine Maul has got much drive left other then to survive.

I presume you have a different take on it though?

Originally posted by UCanShootMyNova
You didn't address the first part of my post.

I don't need to considering I never said the site said he'd grown in power.

But it's the only logical conclusion if he has grown. It certainly won't hurt him to grow will it? Or make him decline right?

Originally posted by UCanShootMyNova
I'm pretty sure getting older ( physically degrading ) and being on the run from Imperials ( not having a chance to use the Force or practice with your lightsaber for fear of drawing too much attention ) is a logical reason for Maul atrophying as a combatant.

Again, based on what? He's decades younger than Dooku. No older than ROTS Mace. So again Why would age be an excuse for him to decline?

I'd say being on the run from imperials , hiding out, searching for new dark side knowledge, and all info on his Sith enemies, building a new Saber staff for himself... are all far better use of his time than running around on 8 legs eating junk.

Originally posted by UCanShootMyNova
Except logic dictates that Maul's skills DID degrade and that he made up for this degradation by relying on his enhanced connection to the Force which was confirmed by Filoni and based on his hatred for Obi Wan and desire to gain revenge on him. Now Maul believes Kenobi to be dead like all the other Jedi.

And that hate and desire for revenge is still there. Greater than ever. In fact if anything it's enhanced given the death of his brother and mother. Heck he outright says it to Ezra.

And btw the other factor that enhanced his power was his Sense of Purpose and Focus after he was revived. Now that might have declined in the last 15 years, but it's all changed as soon as he's met Ezra. But we all know he had a purpose for being at the Sith Temple in the first place.

Who said Maul believes Kenobi to be dead? I see a lot of speculation in your argument, which is what's needed tbh, because given Maul's past, there's no logic in him degrading in power at all.

Originally posted by UCanShootMyNova
In a Galaxy with no allies, all his remaining family dead, the most powerful Galaxy spanning Empire in history under the control of his master who has made clear he considers Maul a liability I and being hunted by a person he has outright admitted would defeat him in combat I can't imagine Maul has got much drive left other then to survive.

I presume you have a different take on it though?

Urm no drive? What was he doing at the Sith Temple again?

He wasn't searching for a way to defeat the Sith was he?

And as I've already pointed out, his sense of purpose is as great as ever, now that he's encountered Ezra.

My assumption is much more logical, and is backed by Maul's past and the proven ability of older force users.

Whereas I'm not sure what your logic is based on. Nothing concrete methinks.

1. It says he's grown in knowledge which makes sense since he's been hiding out on a Sith temple. And you heavily implied he'd become more powerful as of Rebels since you're saying he's apparently Dooku level now which he certainly wasn't before ( that was either here or the other thread ).

2. Based on the fact that not utilizing an ability will cause it to decline and getting older causes most physical bodies to grow weaker... This is common sense bud.

And still not something that's going to hone his skills with a lightsaber or increase his power with the Force.

3. And yet he has no way to carry out this revenge and hasn't for decades. He's just been waiting for someone to come along that he could manipulate into getting a superweapon that might have given him a chance at doing so and now even that's gone.

And now that purpose is gone. The superweapon that might have given a chance at allowing him to defeat his master imploded itself. Now his only motivation is taking Ezra as a Sith apprentice and the holocron for himself. I don't believe even you think Maul's so delusional that he'd believe those things would allow him to be capable of defeating the Emperor.

... The fact that Order 66 was carried out and nearly all Jedi were killed? I don't know if you've noticed but new canon is pretty lacking in actual living Jedi. Even if Maul does think Kenobi survived he's likely somewhat contented knowing he'll be being hunted down for the rest of his life same as him even if he would want to kill him himself. What you call assumption I call pretty reasoned out conclusions that come from common sense.

4. Waiting for an indeterminate amount of time to manipulate somebody into helping him access a super weapon. He's not actively building a power base, training apprentices or combating his foes because he knows he's not powerful enough to do so.

Sure he was. But he's been waiting decades to do so. His drive is hardly going to be the rage and vengeance fueled passion he had in TCW.

How is his sense of purpose as great as ever when now he doesn't even have a superweapon to potentially combat his master? Do you honestly think he's so delusional that he thinks with Ezra's help he could beat his master? :/

I'm not saying older Force user's can't be powerful. I'm saying there's nothing to indicate Maul's even grown in power.

You'd be wrong as I just explained above though you'll probably inevitably fail to grasp it.

Nova just brought the wood. Common sense ftw. It's like saying Ben Kenobi was in his prime for ****s sake. D. Thor is once again wrong.

Originally posted by UCanShootMyNova
Except logic dictates that Maul's skills DID degrade and that he made up for this degradation by relying on his enhanced connection to the Force which was confirmed by Filoni and based on his hatred for Obi Wan and desire to gain revenge on him.

^ I think it's safe to say that tbh... Who knows how long he hasn't fought before getting thrown off a cliff :/

Originally posted by Beniboybling
Where does Filoni say his skills degraded?

I'm referring to TCW Maul, as I assume Syn is. Nor am I asking for what's safe to assume, but for what Syn claimed.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
I'm referring to TCW Maul, as I assume Syn is. Nor am I asking for what's safe to assume, but for what Syn claimed.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
Where does Filoni say his skills degraded?

He didn't say that they degraded. He said that Maul gained power through his desire to gain vengeance on Kenobi and his master.

They degraded because that's what happens when you don't use skills you've possessed and are an insane gibbering spider for decades...

^ or being in the senate posing as the chancellor for years 🙂

Yeah, not seeing the logic I'm afraid. The fact that Maul is able to come from the brink of insanity with his lightsaber skills intact suggests that they had become muscle memory, and the fact that he is one of the most highly trained Sith in history supports this.

Originally posted by chingchangwalla
^ or being in the senate posing as the chancellor for years 🙂

Originally posted by Beniboybling
Yeah, not seeing the logic I'm afraid. The fact that Maul is able to come from the brink of insanity with his lightsaber skills intact suggests that they had become muscle memory, and the fact that he is one of the most highly trained Sith in history supports this.

As per CANON yes?

But anyway regardless.

Power =/= Skill

He can still grow in Power, yet his skill could wane.

But I'm just pointing this out as there seem to be lumping power with skill and it being the same.

Yes as per CANON honeybunch.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
Yeah, not seeing the logic I'm afraid. The fact that Maul is able to come from the brink of insanity with his lightsaber skills intact suggests that they had become muscle memory, and the fact that he is one of the most highly trained Sith in history supports this.Ironic commentary or unwitting self-sabotage?

Well I'm just making sure, as I've been seeing a lot of weird Canon n Legends mixing lately.

Originally posted by quanchi112
So wait in Star Wars you don't believe practice and training matter ?? Are you being serious or just joking around ?

Originally posted by Beniboybling
Yes that's exactly what I said, lmao.

I guess Michael Jordan could live in a cave for ten years and be as accurate with the bball as he was before he went in according to you.

Look guys. Let's not be stupid. Training and practicing your skills is obviously important in maintaining them.

Originally posted by UCanShootMyNova
Look guys. Let's not be stupid. Training and practicing your skills is obviously important in maintaining them.