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Good to see the ability to engage critically remains alive and well in these boards.
First of all I'm not dismissing practice and training, in fact, my point is that it is Maul's level practice and training that allowed him to commit his skills to muscle memory. The fact that Maul is able to quickly regain his ability to fight against far more practiced and experienced beings, despite a decade of having never touched a lightsaber on top of undergoing mental trauma being proof of this.
Drawing real world parallels to individuals of superhuman ability as counter-evidence being illogical for obvious reasons.
Originally posted by Emperordmb
Maul was stated to have acquired new abilities, I'm not sure where the notion that he didn't continue to train came from, but it doesn't make any sense.
He may have trained on Malachor. But he sure as hell wasn't whipping out and training with his lightsaber when he was on the run from Imperials. The amount of time he'd have to train would be far less then his TPM incarnation or even his TCW one.
Originally posted by Beniboybling
facepalmGood to see the ability to engage critically remains alive and well in these boards.
First of all I'm not dismissing practice and training, in fact, my point is that it is Maul's level practice and training that allowed him to commit his skills to muscle memory. The fact that Maul is able to quickly regain his ability to fight against far more practiced and experienced beings, despite a decade of having never touched a lightsaber on top of undergoing mental trauma being proof of this.
Drawing real world parallels to individuals of superhuman ability as counter-evidence being illogical for obvious reasons.
And I'm saying that it's far more likely he was as combatively capable as he was due to his power in the Force. Which if we're thinking didn't grow up to Rebels ( which I don't ) leaves Maul at less then even the capabilities he demonstrated in TCW especially when you pair that with his physical body weakening as he grew older.
Saying we can't hold Force users to the basic standard of physicality nearly all living beings in our own universe undergo is blatantly retarded.
Where are these assumptions about Maul's circumstances coming from? On what basis is he "on the run from Imperials" when Sidious made no seeming attempts to hunt him down post-SoD? Where he continues to exist as mere rumour, has seemingly retained control of his asteroid base without Imperial interference and found the time to build himself a new lightsaber?
Originally posted by Beniboybling
Where are these assumptions about Maul's circumstances coming from? On what basis is he "on the run from Imperials" when Sidious made no seeming attempts to hunt him down post-SoD? Where he continues to exist as mere rumour, has seemingly retained control of his asteroid base without Imperial interference and found the time to build himself a new lightsaber?
What? Because it didn't blatantly show Palpatine setting people to hunt Maul down you're saying we should assume he didn't. That's incredibly dumb.
The rebels secure temporary bases all the time. I assume Maul is also fully capable of such. Regardless we don't have the circumstances of how Maul attained this base, only our own assumptions based off of what we've seen in the S2 trailer.
The lightsaber he acquired could simply have been he found on Malachor or perhaps he built it there out of droid parts.
Originally posted by Emperordmb
Yeah you'd think if you're on the run from imperials anyways you'd be keeping your survival skills honed.
0_o Emp.
Stop and think about this for a second.
If Maul is actively engaging Imperials he's screwed. They'll immediately call for reinforcements, Inquisitors will be after him and Palpatine will once again be made aware of his presence.
He's not going to be combating Imperials. He's going to be in hiding from them.
Originally posted by UCanShootMyNovaUh huh it's not as if Maul became vastly more powerful, and yet he's still contending with the far more practiced Kenobi right out of the gate.
And I'm saying that it's far more likely he was as combatively capable as he was due to his power in the Force. Which if we're thinking didn't grow up to Rebels ( which I don't ) leaves Maul at less then even the capabilities he demonstrated in TCW especially when you pair that with his physical body weakening as he grew older.Saying we can't hold Force users to the basic standard of physicality nearly all living beings in our own universe undergo is blatantly retarded.
Might he have been a bit rusty? Sure. But then he had plenty of combat experience against lightsaber wielding opponents after his revival in which to compensate for that. It becomes tenuous then to assume he still lacked the saber skill he once possessed, when that is nowhere indicated.
And that's nice, but I never suggested otherwise.
Originally posted by BeniboyblingSo you believe Star Wars characters don't need practice and training to hone their skills and that's just real world stuff. Maul wasn't as sharp as he was when he first came back after his spider legs with his skills. That's about as obvious as it gets. He was still very good just not at the top of his game.
facepalmGood to see the ability to engage critically remains alive and well in these boards.
First of all I'm not dismissing practice and training, in fact, my point is that it is Maul's level practice and training that allowed him to commit his skills to muscle memory. The fact that Maul is able to quickly regain his ability to fight against far more practiced and experienced beings, despite a decade of having never touched a lightsaber on top of undergoing mental trauma being proof of this.
Drawing real world parallels to individuals of superhuman ability as counter-evidence being illogical for obvious reasons.
Originally posted by UCanShootMyNova
0_o Emp.Stop and think about this for a second.
If Maul is actively engaging Imperials he's screwed. They'll immediately call for reinforcements, Inquisitors will be after him and Palpatine will once again be made aware of his presence.
He's not going to be combating Imperials. He's going to be in hiding from them.
Originally posted by UCanShootMyNovaIn SoD? Or are you referring to the Inquisitors?
What? Because it didn't blatantly show Palpatine setting people to hunt Maul down you're saying we should assume he didn't. That's incredibly dumb.The rebels secure temporary bases all the time. I assume Maul is also fully capable of such. Regardless we don't have the circumstances of how Maul attained this base, only our own assumptions based off of what we've seen in the S2 trailer.
The lightsaber he acquired could simply have been he found on Malachor or perhaps he built it there out of droid parts.
We do, he secured it back in the Clone Wars, it's the same asteroid facility where he and Dooku teamed up to fight Windu, Kenobi etc.
Actually it appears to deliberately resemble that of an Inquisitors weapon, so he presumably stole it from one and rebuilt it, so not from Malachor.
If only there was a novelization for Maul vs Kanan:
"At that moment, Kanan simply decided to win. Before he was unsure of whether or not he actually wanted to win, but at this point he finally became sure he wanted to win instead of debating in his head whether or not Maul winning would be more beneficial to him. So there in the realm where dream becomes reality, Kanan decides Maul needs to fall off a cliff, so Kanan's arm lashed out as thought and action become one, and Maul plummets off the cliff screaming."
Originally posted by Beniboybling
Uh huh it's not as if Maul became vastly more powerful, and yet he's still contending with the far more practiced Kenobi right out of the gate.Might he have been a bit rusty? Sure. But then he had plenty of combat experience against lightsaber wielding opponents after his revival in which to compensate for that. It becomes tenuous then to assume he still lacked the saber skill he once possessed, when that is nowhere indicated.
And that's nice, but I never suggested otherwise.
I'm saying that it's Maul's increased power that allows him to make up for his atrophied skill. TCW Maul who had just recently regained his memories vs Prime TPM Maul is a fight I think could go either way.
Why would it be tenuous? He's taking part in lightsaber fights and redeveloping his style but that doesn't mean all memory of the techniques and forms and styles he learned are going to come flooding back to him.
"Drawing real world parallels to individuals of superhuman ability as counter-evidence being illogical for obvious reasons." - Beni EatsHisWords Boi, 2016.
Originally posted by Emperordmb
1. We know he's a martially obsessed character
2. We know from the fact that he's been gaining new abilities he has the drive to keeping his skills honed
3. We know from the fact that he's been gaining new abilities he has the time for keeping his skills honed [b]regardless of whether or not he's on the run.
4. I can't believe this needs to be said, but the notion that someone on the run/in hiding would have no interest in keeping their fighting abilities honed is the most retarded thing said in this entire thread [/B]
1. Yes, that doesn't make him dumb which he'd have to be to confront Imperial Forces.
2. We don't know what these abilities constitute and it's most likely he did this on Malachor where he wouldn't be found by the Empire for using the Force or drawing his lightsaber.
3. He has the time to do so on Malachor, I agree. Though how honed he can keep them by simply practicing katas is questionable.
4. I'd say the most retarded thing in this thread is you jumping to conclusions about what I meant and then suggesting that Maul would risk being found by Imperials in an effort to keep his skills honed.
Originally posted by Beniboybling
In SoD? Or are you referring to the Inquisitors?We do, he secured it back in the Clone Wars, it's the same asteroid facility where he and Dooku teamed up to fight Windu, Kenobi etc.
Actually it appears to deliberately resemble that of an Inquisitors weapon, so he presumably stole it from one and rebuilt it, so not from Malachor.
I'm referring to your suggestion that Palpatine did not set minions to hunt for Maul simply because it didn't show him actively doing it.
Going to need the quote that confirms this claim.
Going to need the quote that confirms this claim.
Beni and Dmb agreeing on something?
Has hell frozen over?
Edit. Btw which ever one of you came up with muscle memory is actually right. Kenobi after a few years is able to use his lightsaber like a boss in Comic where he fights Asharad and In Desperate Mission.
Furthermore, after leaving the Jedi years prior, Ferus instinctively uses a lightsaber to varying degrees on Ilium