Originally posted by Jmanghan
Not even just that, Ragnos power is further amped by his scepter, which is something that can also create blasts similar to Exar Kun's amulet.
Kyle Katarn tanked a blast from the staff on a DS nexus, I see no reason as to why Luke or Caedus couldn't defend against it.
Originally posted by Jmanghan
People are scared of other people for a reason.
Yeah. They can overthrow their Empire through several means: causing a rebellion, causing an uproar, causing a blacklash, and Vitiate has always been a paranoid fvck, just like Sheev.
Characters being cautious about potential threats does not equate to said threats actually being in the "loosely comparable power" tier.
Caedus is just better than Marka. 👆
Originally posted by MythLord
Kyle Katarn tanked a blast from the staff on a DS nexus, I see no reason as to why Luke or Caedus couldn't defend against it.Yeah. They can overthrow their Empire through several means: causing a rebellion, causing an uproar, causing a blacklash, and Vitiate has always been a paranoid fvck, just like Sheev.
Characters being cautious about potential threats does not equate to said threats actually being in the "loosely comparable power" tier.
Caedus is just better than Marka. 👆
Lets say Caedus is above Ragnos, for instance. The scepter increases any Dark Side force user's ability in the force by a lot.
Gethzerion is comparable to Mother Talzin, she was able to create (Lightning) force storms by getting angry.
It took Luke and another powerful Nightsister to take her.
Vitiate was talking about the SPIRITS of the Ancient Sith, so he damn sure wasn't worried about getting his empire overthrown by them, he was worried about getting his shit pushed in.
Originally posted by Jmanghan
Lets say Caedus is above Ragnos, for instance. The scepter increases any Dark Side force user's ability in the force by a lot.
Based on what? I don't recall the scepter being noted as a DS nexus, or really amplifying anyone by a vast margin, that is your arbitrary headcanon.
Also, great job at moving the goalpost. Kyle tanked getting blasted by the thing, either Luke or Caedus could as well, ans easier.
Originally posted by Jmanghan
Gethzerion is comparable to Mother Talzin, she was able to create (Lightning) force storms by getting angry.
Good for her, I suppose. A Jedi padawan, turned Dark Jedi, can create lightning storms... That doesn't make them comparable to Talzin.
In fact, Geth is canonically inferior to Vader, much less Talzin who rivals Uncle Sheev.
Originally posted by Jmanghan
It took Luke and another powerful Nightsister to take her.
On a DS nexus, while Luke was still inferior to Vader. mmm
Originally posted by Jmanghan
Vitiate was talking about the SPIRITS of the Ancient Sith, so he damn sure wasn't worried about getting his empire overthrown by them, he was worried about getting his shit pushed in.
LMAO. Spirits are trapped on a planet or sealed within tombs, I doubt they'll spam their Force attacks against Vitiate. And them being spirits is irrelevant. Many of them, Marka in particular ironically, are master manipulators and can cause one of the things I've mentioned above.
Originally posted by MythLord
Based on what? I don't recall the scepter being noted as a DS nexus, or really amplifying anyone by a vast margin, that is your arbitrary headcanon.Also, great job at moving the goalpost. Kyle tanked getting blasted by the thing, either Luke or Caedus could as well, ans easier.
Good for her, I suppose. A Jedi padawan, turned Dark Jedi, can create lightning storms... That doesn't make them comparable to Talzin.
In fact, Geth is canonically inferior to Vader, much less Talzin who rivals Uncle Sheev.
On a DS nexus, while Luke was still inferior to Vader. mmm
LMAO. Spirits are trapped on a planet or sealed within tombs, I doubt they'll spam their Force attacks against Vitiate. And them being spirits is irrelevant. Many of them, Marka in particular ironically, are master manipulators and can cause one of the things I've mentioned above.
It isn't. But it is able to siphon and store force energy, and gives Tavion "incredible power", its also able to turn non-force sensitives into force sensitives.
Kyle tanked it because Jaden was the one using it, tell me that the blasts Kun created would be just as powerful if Jaden used THAT. It wouldn't, and you know it.
Show me a Jedi Padawan making a force ****ing storm. Wtf.
Earlier on, she also stomps Luke effortlessly, making him look like a Joke, breaking his bones and body with TK.
Satele Shan sensed the Sith Spirits on Yavin IV.
Originally posted by Jmanghan
It isn't. But it is able to siphon and store force energy, and gives Tavion "incredible power", its also able to turn non-force sensitives into force sensitives.
Good for it. It isn't amping Ragnos to being Caedus level.
Originally posted by Jmanghan
Kyle tanked it because Jaden was the one using it, tell me that the blasts Kun created would be just as powerful if Jaden used THAT. It wouldn't, and you know it.
It doesn't matter who's using it, it has the same manifestation of energy. That's like saying a gun wielded by me is less powerful than the same gun being wielded by a policeman. The magnitude is the same, only the precision and mastery would be different.
Originally posted by Jmanghan
Show me a Jedi Padawan making a force ****ing storm. Wtf.
This is Kibh Jeen, a Jedi padawan turned Dark Jedi:
Taken from: The Living Force Campaign Guide
After [Kibh Jeen's] servants sabotage a local power plant, he unleashes his anger on the floating cities of Genarius. Lightning arcs through the clouds, destroying hundreds of homes as his followers scream through the streets, blasters white-hot. Thousands die.
Originally posted by Jmanghan
Earlier on, she also stomps Luke effortlessly, making him look like a Joke, breaking his bones and body with TK.
On an extremely potent Nexus, while Luke was caught off guard... Hardly proves anything.
Originally posted by Jmanghan
Satele Shan sensed the Sith Spirits on Yavin IV.
OK? Not sure how that proves anything. Most of those spirits were easter eggs, anyways.
Originally posted by MythLord
Good for it. It isn't amping Ragnos to being Caedus level.It doesn't matter who's using it, it has the same manifestation of energy. That's like saying a gun wielded by me is less powerful than the same gun being wielded by a policeman. The magnitude is the same, only the precision and mastery would be different.
This is Kibh Jeen, a Jedi padawan turned Dark Jedi:
On an extremely potent Nexus, while Luke was caught off guard... Hardly proves anything.
OK? Not sure how that proves anything. Most of those spirits were easter eggs, anyways.
Prove it. Ragnos was already the most POWERFUL of ALL the ancients, that includes Nadd, Pall, Muur, Hord, everyone. So imagine how powerful he'd be with a powerful dark side object thats further enhanced by siphoning Force Energy. It also gives Tavion "incredible power". So it should do the same for Ragnos.
Nope, the blasts would be less potent depending on who used it, in fact, there's a chance that some would be too weak to control it.
Touche.
If Luke was gonna defend himself, he should have, Geth did it so effortlessly, she probably could have done it off-world as well.
It proves that sith spirits are capable of leaving their tombs.
Originally posted by Jmanghan
Prove it. Ragnos was already the most POWERFUL of ALL the ancients, that includes Nadd, Pall, Muur, Hord, everyone. So imagine how powerful he'd be with a powerful dark side object thats further enhanced by siphoning Force Energy. It also gives Tavion "incredible power". So it should do the same for Ragnos.
Um, no he wasn't. Exar Kun was, and Nadd is arguably greater than him, and Muur/Pall were ranked alongside him. And Marka's accolade was a Publisher's Summary, which is of dubious canonicity.
Other sources note he is the "greatest of the ancient Dark Lords", but this was more due to Marka making the Sith Empire more powerful than it was in centuries, through more than just his power.
Originally posted by Jmanghan
Nope, the blasts would be less potent depending on who used it, in fact, there's a chance that some would be too weak to control it.
Haazen, who has one of the weakest connections to the Force in the mythos, can successfully use the gauntlets of Ludo Kressh, as well as several other Sith artifacts, to their full capacity. Why couldn't Jaden, on a DS nexus, use just one?
And I would like you to quantify your posts, actually, instead of posting your head-canon. Be worth my time, please.
Originally posted by Jmanghan
If Luke was gonna defend himself, he should have, Geth did it so effortlessly, she probably could have done it off-world as well.
Yes, I also am sure Gethzerion can attack a defensless man on or off Dathomir. But can she actually do jack to a defending Luke, is the question? mmm
No, not really. She needed to catch Skywalker off-guard on a Dark Side nexus for her to actually overpower him. Doesn't mean she can do that off-nexus, while Luke is actively defending against her.
But, y'know, keep spamming your head-canon at me. Maybe some numbskull reading this will believe it.
Originally posted by Jmanghan
It proves that sith spirits are capable of leaving their tombs.
But they'd need to gather energies to a significant degree to do so, I refer you to Kallig for reference. And those Sith were just easter eggs.
And the fact that they can leave their tombs means nothing. In fact, it makes their potential manipulation of the masses even more likely.