Ragnos: the ancient Sith's MVP?

It could also be that they simply drew from te power of the nexi stored in the scepter, which wouldn't be Ragnos' power at all. Take it as you will, though.

Originally posted by MS Warehouse
*snip*

It was years:

During the years he_[Ulic]_had transformed completely, into a warrior magus with dark powers far beyond those demonstrated by any other member of the Krath!
- Dark Empire Endnotes

Years later, Ulic reappeared with tremendous dark side powers and set out to plunder and destroy large parts of the galaxy with a large and bloodthirsty army serving alongside Exar Kun.
- The Complete Star Wars Encyclopedia

Now keep sourcing Wookieepedia.

Also Nadd was amped:

Yet:

I sense that one great power has fallen, and another… has risen in its place.
- Vodo Siosk-Baas, Tales of the Jedi Dark Lords of the Sith Audiobook CD#2

Then Kun becomes extremely powerful after dabbling in Sith alchemy:

An extremely powerful figure now, Kun dabbled in dark side alchemy, creating freakish two-headed avians and hulking terentateks that thirsted after Force-rich blood. He invented a glowing golden sphere that trapped the children of the Massassi and allowed him to feed off their energies.
-_The New Essential Chronology

Then he retrieves the Dark Holocron:

The most powerful Sith Holocron contained Sith teachings and histories that covered some hundred thousand years...
- The New Essential Guide to Weapons & Technology

Odan-Urr goes to the Force and the darkest power in the galaxy walks away with something that will make him even stronger.
-_Tales of the Jedi Omnibus Volume 2

Exar Kun might not have risen to power so quickly had Odan-Urr destroyed the Sith Holocron when he’d had the chance.
-_Jedi VS. Sith: The Essential Guide to the Force

Odan-Urr kept this Sith Holocron for nearly a millennium before it was stolen by the Jedi Exar Kun, who used it to learn many secrets of the Sith.
-_Jedi VS. Sith: The Essential Guide to the Force

This war was caused by a student of mine, Exar Kun, who found forbidden teachings of the ancient Sith. [...] With this knowledge, Exar Kun established a vast and powerful brotherhood and claimed the title of first Dark Lord of the Sith.
- Vodo Siosk-Baas,_Jedi VS. Sith: The Essential Guide to the Force

This was fun. 👆

@AP - DE endnotes was way before TotJ was published. It's been retconned.

And the TCSWE quote seems out-of-context. Years later than what?

Originally posted by SunRazer
@AP - DE endnotes was way before TotJ was published. It's been retconned.

And the TCSWE quote seems out-of-context. Years later than what?

There's no need to even address AP. He's using out of date quotes for ULIC. His other quotes prove Kun is a DLOTS. Then he proceeds to argue that an amped Nadd pushed Vodo across the galaxy when the quote clearly states that the amp just allowed Nadd to bring the roof down. Literally NOTHING he quoted helps his argument or even hurts mine. I mean you're arguing one thing and quoting another thing, it's not even an argument.

It really WAS fun AP 👆

It's a she.

Anyways, getting back on topic, I consider Ragnos supreme among the Ancient Dark Lords, likely, though that's unfortunately not supported enough by other material. Kun's the strongest if we're counting him, of course, but I don't consider him an ancient Sith Lord.

Originally posted by SunRazer
It's a she.

Anyways, getting back on topic, I consider Ragnos supreme among the Ancient Dark Lords, likely, though that's unfortunately not supported enough by other material. Kun's the strongest if we're counting him, of course, but I don't consider him an ancient Sith Lord. [/B][/QUOTE]

But wouldn't Nadd be considered an ancient sith lord? Those quotes really aren't 100% clear. Whatever my argument for Nadd was goes double for Ragnos, since he had even more access to sith knowledge.

Knowledge isn't always a measure of power. Wyyrlok knew more than Krayt, but was weaker. Traya knew more than Nihilus, but was weaker. Ventress knew more than Savage, but was weaker, etc. etc.

Originally posted by SunRazer
Knowledge isn't always a measure of power. Wyyrlok knew more than Krayt, but was weaker. Traya knew more than Nihilus, but was weaker. Ventress knew more than Savage, but was weaker, etc. etc.

But DID Wyyrlok know more than Krayt? We know he knew more esoteric techniques but that's about it.

And while knowledge doesn't always equate to power, all things being equal or near equal, someone studying the force for 100 years should have an obvious advantage over one studying it for barely a year.

Nadd studied for a century?

And yeah, Wyyrlok knows more. It's said in a source that his knowledge is unparalleled or some such, IIRC.

Originally posted by SunRazer
@AP - DE endnotes was way before TotJ was published. It's been retconned.

And the TCSWE quote seems out-of-context. Years later than what?

Years after Nadd declared that Ulic would be 'one of the great ones'.

There's no need to even address AP. He's using out of date quotes for ULIC. His other quotes prove Kun is a DLOTS. Then he proceeds to argue that an amped Nadd pushed Vodo across the galaxy when the quote clearly states that the amp just allowed Nadd to bring the roof down. Literally NOTHING he quoted helps his argument or even hurts mine. I mean you're arguing one thing and quoting another thing, it's not even an argument._

It really WAS fun AP.

Concession accepted.

That isn't my argument whatsoever, you baffoon. Nadd was clearly amplifying his powers as a spirit by absorbing the spirits of Jedi Masters and the likes of King Ommin. When Kun destroys Nadd, Vodo senses that Kun replaced Nadd as a great power. Then Kun got far more powerful, collectively, over the following years.

Your argument is pathetic and you should be ashamed to even keep posting quite frankly.

Originally posted by AncientPower
Your argument is pathetic and you should be ashamed to even keep posting quite frankly.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
😂

I know right? I've seen some idiot debaters but this one takes the cake as far as the inability to post anything relevant, yet with all the balls to try and tie it to a relevant debate. I thought it was funny.

Nadd studied for a century?

And yeah, Wyyrlok knows more. It's said in a source that his knowledge is unparalleled or some such, IIRC.

So you're just ignoring me then? The denial here is as strong as it was in the Hitler bunker.

You've literally just dismissed all evidence that runs contrary to your argument and then had the gall to insult anyone who calls you out on it. I've seen nothing in the way of a substantive argument from you.

So you're just ignoring me then? The denial here is as strong as it was in the Hitler bunker.

You've literally just dismissed all evidence that runs contrary to your argument and then had the gall to insult anyone who calls you out on it. I've seen nothing in the way of a substantive argument from you.

I've provided a mountain of evidence in the face of you insinuating that I was lying and just invented my second reply in our argument, and then dismissed it as worthless to the debate at hand when I provided requested evidence. Please return to your status as 'irrelevant' and leave the adults to the debate.

Kun>Ragnos>Nadd>Rest
/Close Therad 😄

Originally posted by AncientPower
I've provided a mountain of evidence in the face of you insinuating that I was lying and just invented my second reply in our argument, and then dismissed it as worthless to the debate at hand when I provided requested evidence. Please return to your status as 'irrelevant' and leave the adults to the debate.

I am.. By ignoring your absolutely irrelevant nonsense, the adults are back at it. Continue responding to me while getting no response from anybody else. 👆

Also, look up the definition for "mountain".

Originally posted by MS Warehouse
Nadd had a century, so did Ragnos. That's 99 years to potentially overtake Kun. Hence my trepidation to accept a quote that again, isn't really backed up by evidence.

Where's it stated that Nadd had a century?

Originally posted by SunRazer
Where's it stated that Nadd had a century?

You provided the source that states Nadd ruled Onderon for a century, did you not?

Not on the last page, at least. But I might just be having short-term memory loss. Can you point out which one in particular?