Originally posted by JayDaDon
Say on panel Ulik was amped physically by High Evolutionary.
Out of curiosity how do you think amped Ulik compares to Starro?
Taking a few hits from amped ulik which didn't even knock out Thor or Ironman.
Compared to Starro oneshotting Orion into space and Aquaman taking a sustained blast from Starro.
Originally posted by riv6672
Do you really need specific examples?
IMs been in print for decades. He's fought pretty much everyone at Marvel.
Yeah I'm not to knowledgeable on Ironman and I can't think of any instances he's tanked something that has knocked out a high tier.
Why would I ask for an example if I didn't need one?
Originally posted by krisblaze
At any rate, incidents of IM taking hits from someone stronger than Ulik x2 is more of an outlier.Generally class 100 guys can tear up his armor after a couple of hits.
Handbook suggest he's class 90 and I agree about the Armor thing. I remember Namor tearing up the Extremis suit in a Neutral book.
Originally posted by JayDaDon
Namor never tore up extremis. Not even a serious Sentry could pull that off. He tore up the VASTLY weaker pentagon armor.
I don't get where your getting it was a "Pentagon Armor" the fight happened during the time period of Extremis.
Considering Aquaman had alot of highs under the JL title I wouldn't call the Starro thing an outlier.
You even type up Namor vs Extremis and it's what you get. I'm not suggesting Ironman isn't a class 100 just don't think his physicals match Aquaman's. Not suggesting Aquaman dwarfs him I'm just saying it's notable. You having to try and dismiss the Starro instance kind of just cements that to me,
Originally posted by EcstaticGrace
I don't think Sentry was trying to tear it up. Theres a difference in tanking punches and being pulled apart.I don't get where your getting it was a "Pentagon Armor" the fight happened during the time period of Extremis.
Considering Aquaman had alot of highs under the JL title I wouldn't call the Starro thing an outlier.
You even type up Namor vs Extremis and it's what you get. I'm not suggesting Ironman isn't a class 100 just don't think his physicals match Aquaman's. Not suggesting Aquaman dwarfs him I'm just saying it's notable. You having to try and dismiss the Starro instance kind of just cements that to me,
He wasn't class 100 in JLA like Orion.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Yeah, starro is an outlier. A martian easily koed Arthur in the same series and Triumph basically laughed at him.He wasn't class 100 in JLA like Orion.
He lasted longer then Diana against Amazo in JL#27
Taking a hit and slam from Amazo passing out and then getting back up the next page to take another hit and pass out.
In Rock of Ages he fell from Orbit traveling as Light and was still conscious after the fact.
Triumph seemed to peer with Superman. Who even yet only took a few hits from Amazo and was dazed after 2.
I'll admit it was a Rookie Hal but in Waid's earlier run Hal was struggling to keep a shield up at the bottom of the Sea while Aquaman was fine.
I'd probably have to look back at it but there's alot of more stuff like taking a hit from Eiling and being fine the next panel while Zauriel is missing.
I really wouldn't call the Starro thing an outlier given all the stuff like that.
Originally posted by EcstaticGrace
He lasted longer then Diana against Amazo in JL#27
Not really. Amazo trashed everyone else. Only Superman was standing at the end.
Taking a hit and slam from Amazo passing out and then getting back up the next page to take another hit and pass out.
So he gets koed by one hit while Diana and Kyle were taken out by an energy attack.
In Rock of Ages he fell from Orbit traveling as Light and was still conscious after the fact.
His consciousness was transferred in another body. He didn't literally fall from orbit and stayed conscious.
Triumph seemed to peer with Superman. Who even yet only took a few hits from Amazo and was dazed after 2.
Amazo hit Superman enough time to visibly disfigure his face. There was fighting off panel.
I'll admit it was a Rookie Hal but in Waid's earlier run Hal was struggling to keep a shield up at the bottom of the Sea while Aquaman was fine.
That doesn't means much other than the fact that Hal had trouble keeping his concentration under such pressure.
It was his rookie years. Power Girl literally no sold Arthur's attacks and knocked him out.
I'd probably have to look back at it but there's alot of more stuff like taking a hit from Eiling and being fine the next panel while Zauriel is missing.
Zauriel isn't that durable.
I really wouldn't call the Starro thing an outlier given all the stuff like that.
Yes, it is an outlier. Orion is a legit peer to Superman. Aquaman isn't.
Originally posted by EcstaticGrace
I don't think Sentry was trying to tear it up. Theres a difference in tanking punches and being pulled apart.I don't get where your getting it was a "Pentagon Armor" the fight happened during the time period of Extremis.
Considering Aquaman had alot of highs under the JL title I wouldn't call the Starro thing an outlier.
You even type up Namor vs Extremis and it's what you get. I'm not suggesting Ironman isn't a class 100 just don't think his physicals match Aquaman's. Not suggesting Aquaman dwarfs him I'm just saying it's notable. You having to try and dismiss the Starro instance kind of just cements that to me,
If you're referring to their scuffle in Iluminati, that wasn't extremis. The visual difference between the pentagon armor and the extremis armor is clear to anyone who has read even the Extremis storyline. That meeting was around the start of new avengers where Tony wore the Pentagon armor for a large chunk of that time until the extremis story happened.
And yeah, Sentry was trying to neutralize Tony. He was even given the order to kill him. He hit him with full intent to shut him down and maybe even kill him and Tony walked away without one scratch.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Not really. Amazo trashed everyone else. Only Superman was standing at the end.So he gets koed by one hit while Diana and Kyle were taken out by an energy attack.
His consciousness was transferred in another body. He didn't literally fall from orbit and stayed conscious.
Amazo hit Superman enough time to visibly disfigure his face. There was fighting off panel.
That doesn't means much other than the fact that Hal had trouble keeping his concentration under such pressure.
It was his rookie years. Power Girl literally no sold Arthur's attacks and knocked him out.
Zauriel isn't that durable.
Yes, it is an outlier. Orion is a legit peer to Superman. Aquaman isn't.
Nothing in the Amazo instance suggest off panel fighting other then the moment when Amazo first showed up with Steel, Huntress, Wonder Woman and even then we don't know how many hits they took. So I'm going on panel.
On panel we see Aquaman swung into Zauriel which implies force into Amazo and then tossed to the ground. Whereas we only see in regards to the first hit on Diana that she gets backhanded, and Superman on panel only taking 3 hits. If your going to imply that they had a "linger offpanel fight" that should be an all around thing and not pick a character to decide who had it,
6th page of this linked battle Superman is down for awhile I know he gets back up but regardless he's down. http://m.imgur.com/a/hW5MJ
Zauriel has divine armor. So yeah he has durability.
I'm pretty sure rookie Hal has feats against Sinestro which is part of his origin. He also took a nuke during Emerald Dawn. Hal was loosing concentration because of the pressure which is a durability thing..