Originally posted by EcstaticGrace
Detroit is part of Post Crisis continuity mate.
The comic is pre crisis mate. It even references Superman's fight with Amazo in Superman special 3 which is retconned away post crisis.
My main beef is you suggesting Aquaman is class 60. He's Class 100 by feats you don't have to be near Superman in strength to be Class 100. Your admission most of the time is most characters don't equate Superman's strength.
Yes, because he was overpowered by characters well below Superman. Superboy was never class 100 until Infinite Crisis but even he overpowered Arthur.
She hulk also overpowered him casually.
Aquaman has suggested he's not on par with Superman in strength and I'm not disputing that but he is a Class 100.
In early days, they weren't.
I even stated before months ago that fact and I continuously suggest Superman outclasses Aquaman in strength.Aquaman beat the Deep 6 physically who are Class 100 characters stated by the writer atleast Slig is.
http://comicvine.gamespot.com/aquaman/4005-2357/forums/aquaman-misconceptions-and-facts-thread-1768562/#18
Deep six have nothing but lip service. Orion disintegrated slig FFS.
Originally posted by abhilegend
The comic is pre crisis mate. It even references Superman's fight with Amazo in Superman special 3 which is retconned away post crisis.Yes, because he was overpowered by characters well below Superman. Superboy was never class 100 until Infinite Crisis but even he overpowered Arthur.
She hulk also overpowered him casually.
In early days, they weren't.
Deep six have nothing but lip service. Orion disintegrated slig FFS.
But
http://static4.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11124/111244877/5428176-p3_13+copy-1.jpg
Crossover wasn't cannon and Namor is Class 100 and Aquaman beat him in the Crossover as well as swung at Ironman's tin head. Jen also didn't casually overpower him that's miscontruing what happened.
Wasn't Orion all Beserkered up which makes a difference in his power? Regardless writer stated in the comic that Slig was Class 100 for the purpose of bringing up what he was challenging.
I'll agree though that Early on Aquaman ranged in class depending on the writer it got more consistent as Post-Crisis continuity though.
Originally posted by EcstaticGrace
http://dc.wikia.com/wiki/Pre-Crisis
http://static2.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11124/111244877/5428177-p1_313+copy-1.jpg
You can try to use the instance as an excuse to suggest something with reality made this happenBut
http://static4.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11124/111244877/5428176-p3_13+copy-1.jpg
Yes, and Superman also worked in Satellite JLA.
Yet, the specefic scene with Amazo is non canon. Its pre crisis story,not applicable wholesale in post crisis history.
Crossover wasn't cannon and Namor is Class 100 and Aquaman beat him in the Crossover as well as swung at Ironman's tin head. Jen also didn't casually overpower him that's miscontruing what happened.
JLA/Avengers is perfectly canon and is outright shown in JLA by Kurt Busiek.
And yes, she overpowered him while joking.
Wasn't Orion all Beserkered up which makes a difference in his power? Regardless writer stated in the comic that Slig was Class 100 for the purpose of bringing up what he was challenging.
No. And Slig has nothing to show he is class 100 except a line in comics saying so.
I'll agree though that Early on Aquaman ranged in class depending on the writer it got more consistent as Post-Crisis continuity though.
Nope. It wasn't until new 52 that he became class 100.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Yes, and Superman also worked in Satellite JLA.Yet, the specefic scene with Amazo is non canon. Its pre crisis story,not applicable wholesale in post crisis history.
JLA/Avengers is perfectly canon and is outright shown in JLA by Kurt Busiek.
And yes, she overpowered him while joking.
No. And Slig has nothing to show he is class 100 except a line in comics saying so.
Nope. It wasn't until new 52 that he became class 100.
Everything prior to 1985 is Pre-Crisis the issue took place 85 two instances show Detroit as canon in Post-Crisis continuity. Several Writers words >>Your opinion on the matter, Detroit Era is referenced in Post-Crisis continuity more then once under more then one writer. If Morrison and Johns Reference it I'll take that as a higher value that Detroit is still in tact with history during that time period,
Scan of She Hulk manhandling Aquaman like you suggested?
Statements don't hold as much weight as feats but we still get a general idea of what the writer is trying to convey with statements.
Originally posted by EcstaticGrace
Everything prior to 1985 is Pre-Crisis the issue took place 85 two instances show Detroit as canon in Post-Crisis continuity. Several Writers words >>Your opinion on the matter, Detroit Era is referenced in Post-Crisis continuity more then once under more then one writer. If Morrison and Johns Reference it I'll take that as a higher value that Detroit is still in tact with history during that time period,
JLA Detroit is canon. Them fighting Amazo isn't as Amazo was retconned post crisis.
Scan of She Hulk manhandling Aquaman like you suggested?
Read JLA/Avengers?
Statements don't hold as much weight as feats but we still get a general idea of what the writer is trying to convey with statements.
Can you give me a single statement of Arthur being near Superman or wonder woman in strength?
Originally posted by abhilegend
JLA Detroit is canon. Them fighting Amazo isn't as Amazo was retconned post crisis.Read JLA/Avengers?
Can you give me a single statement of Arthur being near Superman or wonder woman in strength?
What you constitute as manhandling is quite interesting. She hit Aquaman and broke his harness as well as Slammed a Lunged Aquaman which could be momentum. I have no issue with her getting a slam on him either she's the more skilled fighter on feats.
But he showed no signs of pain.. No "Uggh", " Aggh" , "Owww" none of it. I'm sure the writer didn't forget either since WonderMan was making Rayner cry out in pain at times and came off about to beat Rayner if not for Superman's interference
Aquaman's objective was getting the Item not fighting She-Hulk. "I don't mind finding out which one of us would truly win a battle, but I don't have to beat you" Paraphrased. It was two hits where Aquaman didn't really give any indication of pain, yet somehow he got manhandled?
He was shown completely fine after the fact only difference is his harness was broken..
In order for Detroit to be cannon you'd have to fit everything in the time line. Amazo could of easily happened. In JLA 27 they've shown knowledge of facing him before, so I don't get where your getting that Amazo was retconned Post crisis when he was shown PC on a couple occasions. Morrison and Metzler run off my head.
http://m.imgur.com/wtATi9D
1st scan could easily have more meanings then one.
But even then
http://m.imgur.com/PmaR71A
Suggested to be one of the strongest guys on the Planet.
If we look at Multiversity Morrison said Aquawoman was the most powerful native Lifeform on her Earth. That's with their being a Wonder Man on it.
We even have the statement under Dan Jurgens in Panic in The sky where Aquaman was suggested to be fighting "invaders strong enough to go head to head with Superman"
DC Home website even suggest he holds his own
http://www.dccomics.com/characters/aquaman
Originally posted by EcstaticGrace
What you constitute as manhandling is quite interesting. She hit Aquaman and broke his harness as well as Slammed a Lunged Aquaman which could be momentum. I have no issue with her getting a slam on him either she's the more skilled fighter on feats.But he showed no signs of pain.. No "Uggh", " Aggh" , "Owww" none of it. I'm sure the writer didn't forget either since WonderMan was making Rayner cry out in pain at times and came off about to beat Rayner if not for Superman's interference
Aquaman's objective was getting the Item not fighting She-Hulk. "I don't mind finding out which one of us would truly win a battle, but I don't have to beat you" Paraphrased. It was two hits where Aquaman didn't really give any indication of pain, yet somehow he got manhandled?
He was shown completely fine after the fact only difference is his harness was broken..
In order for Detroit to be cannon you'd have to fit everything in the time line. Amazo could of easily happened. In JLA 27 they've shown knowledge of facing him before, so I don't get where your getting that Amazo was retconned Post crisis when he was shown PC on a couple occasions. Morrison and Metzler run off my head.
http://m.imgur.com/wtATi9D
1st scan could easily have more meanings then one.But even then
http://m.imgur.com/PmaR71A
Suggested to be one of the strongest guys on the Planet.If we look at Multiversity Morrison said Aquawoman was the most powerful native Lifeform on her Earth. That's with their being a Wonder Man on it.
We even have the statement under Dan Jurgens in Panic in The sky where Aquaman was suggested to be fighting "invaders strong enough to go head to head with Superman"
DC Home website even suggest he holds his own
http://www.dccomics.com/characters/aquaman
By the standards of the comic, 2 punches pretty much is as bad as anyone got it. Aquamarine was definately struggling.
Wonder Womam only got a few shots on Herc, and he didn't look injured either.
Originally posted by cdtm
By the standards of the comic, 2 punches pretty much is as bad as anyone got it. Aquamarine was definately struggling.Wonder Womam only got a few shots on Herc, and he didn't look injured either.
Struggling? He showed no signs of it.. He go powerslammed I'm not denying but Batman has done that to Grundy it's skill more then anything. And then after that it was a punch. There was no back and forth to suggest how they really compare.
Wonder Man went down in the same instance
Carol went down as well so if they wanted to show anyone going down they would have or struggling.
Originally posted by -Pr-
So the whole "don't use crossovers thing", are people just ignoring that now?
I say let them do it. Since hey you can't just say one DC/Marvel crossover is okay, but the others aren't. So it means they'd have to accept the dreaded "DC vs Marvel" into their ranks as well.
To which awesome: Surfer easily defeated GL in that series.
Aquaman beat Namor with a whale!
Originally posted by Surtur
I say let them do it. Since hey you can't just say one DC/Marvel crossover is okay, but the others aren't. So it means they'd have to accept the dreaded "DC vs Marvel" into their ranks as well.To which awesome: Surfer easily defeated GL in that series.
Aquaman beat Namor with a whale!
of course. and don't forget the time the X-Men matched the JLA either.
