Originally posted by AzrongerHardly the best comparison considering Dooku hasn't a lick on Sidious, and Maul was himself in an exhausted condition. But points for trying.
Give me a notable defensive Force feat from Maul. Until then:It doesn't look like I'm undrestimating anything. More like everyone else is overestimating Maul's endurance.
And I propose a question to you all: How is Maul actually going to kill Dooku?
Regardless, his ability to continue fighting after having his spine mauled by a wampa (without Force augmentation), or hit by frag grenades, shrug of slashes from Varayctls, Barabels and vibroblades, power through Mighella's lighting and endure flesh roasting suffocating heat demonstrates his endurance capabilities to be rather immense.
He was also able to remain conscious where Savage failed when left stranded and heat deprived in empty space. In fact he just so happens to be much more powerful than Savage, whom himself was able to tank successive bursts of Dooku's lightning without being KO'ed.
On the other hand I'm not really convinced of Dooku's ability to take a hit, he has no endurance feats to his name and in the few situations in which is body has been put under duress, he's ended up more than worse for wear. In that respect Maul could very well outlast him.
Originally posted by SunRazerWell it was only a kick lol, and it left him practically immobilised regardless. On the other hand Maul shrugged off kicks from Darth Sidious, if we wish to compare.
Dooku took a "terminal velocity" kick from Anakin that sent him over the railing in the RotS novel and he was pretty unharmed by that even though he was exhausted. He just cleanses his fatigue after that.Otherwise, people tend to cite him apparently resisting Sidious' Lightning in SoD #4.
I would attribute that 'feat' to Talzin tbh, not Dooku. Not that it didn't leave his body ****ed all the same.
Originally posted by SunRazer
There's more than that on your side, lol. Such as Talzin inhabiting the body. Dooku's exhaustion afterwards could easily be chalked up to being possessed by Talzin alone.
That's all irrelevant when Sidious couldn't risk killing Dooku 😬
Originally posted by SunRazer
And you can say that Sidious wasn't going for the kill against Maul, either.
Yes, never even claimed it's a feat for Maul.
Despite the fact that Sidious wasn't trying to kill Tyranus, he still wanted to exorcise a spirit of nigh-equal power to his own so I doubt it was a love tap. Additional, Dooku's life essence was drained heavily through a ritual Talzin performed and wasn't really defending himself, whereas Sheev was amplified.
Originally posted by Beniboybling
Hardly the best comparison considering Dooku hasn't a lick on Sidious, and Maul was himself in an exhausted condition. But points for trying.
I'm quite certain Dooku knows how to torture his victims without killing them, lmao.
And exhausted? Really? The guy fought for months on end, and now suddenly he's going to be exhausted by a five-minute duel? Even some of the stuff you yourself posted below quite nicely renders your point moot.
Regardless, his ability to continue fighting after having his spine mauled by a wampa (without Force augmentation), or hit by frag grenades, shrug of slashes from Varayctls, Barabels and vibroblades, power through Mighella's lighting and endure flesh roasting suffocating heat demonstrates his endurance capabilities to be rather immense.
Well, it seems actual Sith Lightning is far more painful than all of this. Too bad for Maul:
He was also able to remain conscious where Savage failed when left stranded and heat deprived in empty space. In fact he just so happens to be much more powerful than Savage, whom himself was able to tank successive bursts of Dooku's lightning without being KO'ed.
I'm not factoring in the plot that required Savage to be alive. Fact is Dooku has shown himself to be far more powerful than this. In the same episode Ventress tanks a lightning blast from Dooku with no effect other than a simple scream. A couple of episodes back she took quite an extensive burst and a fall from a cliff. Still nothing. Yet in DD, a few bolts from a half-conscious Dooku cause her internal bleeding and she dies a minute later.
Maul could endure that, sure, but what about a blast from a full-powered Dooku? Or better yet, a storm:
On the other hand I'm not really convinced of Dooku's ability to take a hit, he has no endurance feats to his name and in the few situations in which is body has been put under duress, he's ended up more than worse for wear. In that respect Maul could very well outlast him.
So, what you're saying is Maul will tank Dooku's Force Lightning Storm till the Count dies of old age? Forgive my disbelief.
As I see it, the entire "fight" will consist of this:
If Maul does endure (which I find hard to believe), then a bit more of this:
Or this:
Originally posted by SunRazerA toying Sidious who still trashed the Brothers, which is far more than Anakin could accomplish. And it would be could if he actually... endured it, his extenuating circumstances merely makes up for the embarrassment of being almost KO'ed by a kick.
1. Maul was enraged and Sidious was toying. Dooku basically took the kick with complete surprise (you could argue that there was no Force augmentation) and he was pretty much completely unharmed despite his prior exhaustion. That's pretty good.2. Yeah, I don't really count it myself.
Originally posted by AzrongerExhausted yes, its quite obvious from his body language. This being a result of fighting Darth Sidious, who you've still yet to prove Dooku can match the power output of.
I'm quite certain Dooku knows how to torture his victims without killing them, lmao.And exhausted? Really? The guy fought for months on end, and now suddenly he's going to be exhausted by a five-minute duel? Even some of the stuff you yourself posted below quite nicely renders your point moot.
Well, it seems actual Sith Lightning is far more painful than all of this. Too bad for Maul:Dooku's ability to inflict pain doesn't preclude Maul's ability to overcome it and fight back, which he obviously isn't in a position to do so here. There's also every possibility that the energy field immobilising him disrupted his connection to the Force as it did Kenobi in the AotC novelisation.
I'm not factoring in the plot that required Savage to be alive. Fact is Dooku has shown himself to be far more powerful than this. In the same episode Ventress tanks a lightning blast from Dooku with no effect other than a simple scream. A couple of episodes back she took quite an extensive burst and a fall from a cliff. Still nothing. Yet in DD, a few bolts from a half-conscious Dooku cause her internal bleeding and she dies a minute later.Which only demonstrates his inability to bring that into a combat situation, and the significance of Ventress' own injuries.
Maul could endure that, sure, but what about a blast from a full-powered Dooku? Or better yet, a storm:That's not a storm lol, he's just attacking multiple people.
So, what you're saying is Maul will tank Dooku's Force Lightning Storm till the Count dies of old age? Forgive my disbelief.Naturally, but then your assuming Maul is just going to sit there let Dooku hit him. As opposed to a. fight back b. dodge his attacks or deflect them with a barrier c. a combination of the above. Considering he wasn't able to overwhelm Vos with his Force powers I don't fancy his chances here.As I see it, the entire "fight" will consist of this:
If Maul does endure (which I find hard to believe), then a bit more of this:
Or this:
On the other hand yes, I see Dooku suffering more damage from the blows Maul is able to inflict on him. And with the inability of either party to outright dominate the other, it will ultimately come down to a contest of endurance.