TCW Darth Maul vs. Count Dooku (Force battle)

Originally posted by McP
As opposed to a. fight back b. dodge his attacks or deflect them with a barrier

Which barrier? Has Maul ever shown, that he's capable of doing that thing?

Originally posted by SunRazer
Obi-Wan was KO'd by a kick in the graphic novel 🙂

Originally posted by McP
As opposed to a. fight back b. dodge his attacks or deflect them with a barrier

Which barrier? Has Maul ever shown, that he's capable of doing that thing?

Originally posted by Kurk

Didin't he get TKO'd by that blast?

Regardless, Dooku should just be capable of vaporising unprotected Twilek flesh and bone at his most powerful.

Anyway, Maul obviously gets rekted, but whether it's a one-shot or not is yet to be discovered.

Originally posted by Ziggystardust
Didin't he get TKO'd by that blast?

Regardless, Dooku should just be capable of vaporising unprotected Twilek flesh and bone at his most powerful.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
Exhausted yes, its quite obvious from his body language. This being a result of fighting Darth Sidious, who you've still yet to prove Dooku can match the power output of.

His heavy breathing is the result of fear, not exhaustion, lol. And unless Sidious was actively draining his powers, then it doesn't matter who Maul was fighting - it was still a five-minute duel.

Dooku's ability to inflict pain doesn't preclude Maul's ability to overcome it and fight back, which he obviously isn't in a position to do so here. There's also every possibility that the energy field immobilising him disrupted his connection to the Force as it did Kenobi in the AotC novelisation.

Maul us going to overcome the pain of Dooku's Force Lightning? Forgive my disbelief:

Which only demonstrates his inability to bring that into a combat situation, and the significance of Ventress' own injuries.

So what you're saying is that Dooku can't shoot lightning at all, since the blast he unleashed at Ventress was instantanous. That's just blatantly false.

And far as I know, Ventress' injuries were inflicted by Dooku's lightning.

That's not a storm lol, he's just attacking multiple people.

It certainly appears to be more destructive than Dooku's usual blasts aimed at multiple people. Looks like a storm to me.

Naturally, but then your assuming Maul is just going to sit there let Dooku hit him. As opposed to a. fight back

The only time I've seen Maul fight back against Force lightning was against Mighella. If you believe that to be of any significance, then start proving her lightning can match Dooku's in how painful it is.

And even if we assume he'll be fighting back (which I doubt), he certainly won't be resisting a combination of Force lightning and Telekinesis. Dooku has proven himself an avid user of this combo, and with solely TK, has KO'd Obi-Wan, who has similar pain resistance to Maul. Maul isn't remaining conscious after being weakened by lightning and then smashed against the wall.

b. dodge his attacks or deflect them with a barrier

I doubt Maul could dodge Dooku, who has demonstrated the ability to launch bolts in all directions at once:

And even make a Force Maelstrom:

He saw the blue shimmersilk move like a breeze as Zan Arbor took advantage of the distraction to dash for the entrance. Blue Force-lightning erupted in the darkness, a barrier shielding her from the others, giving her space to run.

-Jedi Quest: The Final Showdown

Even if Maul somehow dodges (which I doubt), so what? He's only prolonging the inevitable.

And deflect them with a Barrier? Lmao. I've asked twice in this thread to show me a defensive Force feat from Maul, and no one has done so.

Considering he wasn't able to overwhelm Vos with his Force powers I don't fancy his chances here.

That's just a bonus for Vos, then. Doesn't have anything to do with Maul, though.

On the other hand yes, I see Dooku suffering more damage from the blows Maul is able to inflict on him. And with the inability of either party to outright dominate the other, it will ultimately come down to a contest of endurance.

What blows are you talking about? This is a Force-only fight, no unarmed combat. And as far as TK or lightning is concerned:

Maul isn't going to do jack shit.

Dooku will most certainly dominate Maul. This is an accurate depiction of the "fight" between these two:

Originally posted by Beniboybling
No he didn't, so I'm afraid that hardly proves anything.

Maul lived because Maul had sufficient time to escape the harrowing blast, so um afraayed this hardly prooves anything.

Good, gooood... Dooku is dominating Maul on the forums 🙂

This is either Maul's lowest, or one of the Count's highest days. It'd be a shame if it's the former, but I'd love the latter 🙂

Originally posted by Ziggystardust
Maul lived because Maul had sufficient time to escape the harrowing blast, so um afraayed this hardly prooves anything.

Originally posted by MythLord
Good, gooood... Dooku is dominating Maul on the forums 🙂

This is either Maul's lowest, or one of the Count's highest days. It'd be a shame if it's the former, but I'd love the latter 🙂

Jacen's High Days are slowly returning... Yaddle may never experience them, however.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
He was engulfed by the blast friend, hence the application of Force barrier. 😬

Frieynd, being on the sideline of a poxy explosion is quite different from being at the center of it. Mere meters can be the difference between demolished concrete and broken windows.

Good thing he was at the centre of the explosion then. 😂

I would hit you over the head with my copy of Shadow Hunter if I actually had one, and it didn't exist as a txt file on my laptop. Nevertheless, well done for proving yourself the King (or should I say queen) of bad interpretations.

“ Maul turned and leapt from the platform, reaching for the dark side, enfolding himself in it even as the power cell exploded, the heat and pressure wave vaporizing the Jedi in a microsecond and then expanding, reaching hungrily for him, as well.”

Excerpt From: Michael Reaves. Shadow Hunter.

So Maul had already leapt away from the platform before the device explosed and was quite clearly further away from the blast center than his adversary. Back to drawing board, and more importantly, back to the closet.

Comprehension skills indeed, and no, this Queen is not impressed, let me highlight the parts you missed:

Maul turned and leapt from the platform, reaching for the dark side, enfolding himself in it even as the power cell exploded, the heat and pressure wave vaporizing the Jedi in a microsecond and then expanding, reaching hungrily for him, as well.

But then he saw the desperation in the other's face suddenly give way to realization, and then to triumph. Quickly, before Maul could intuit what was intended, the Jedi whirled toward the speeder bike, raised his lightsaber-and plunged it to the hilt into the bike's repulsor drive housing.

Maul realized his suicidal intention, but too late. The superheated energy blade melted with lightning swiftness through the housing and sank into the bike's power cell core.

Originally posted by Beniboybling

In case you're still struggling, Boondara compromised the power cell core before Maul could react.

Wrong again Beni, the explosion happened after Maul had lept away and not before. Bondara compromising the cell core still gives maul enough time to get away fast enough before the explosion - which does not have to happen in the exact moment bondora stabs the device. We see that even in the movies, applications of Force Speed will allow them to escape that and more. Microsecond reaction-time and perceptive scope isn't a new concept for either Sith or Jedi.

Afterwards Maul leaps away as the power cell is exploding. And given that the explosion vaporised Boondara in a microsecond we should assume it reached Maul nigh instaneously as well,

Bondara was at the center of it, Maul wasn't. There is no interpretation in the world that can repudiate that. Maul is good enough in perceptive ability to see the explosion coming towards him, which means he's good enough to move away from it when the blast reaches him. That is the text as it's presented. From another angle, one could ask why Maul would move away in the first place if he was confident enough to tank the explosion at it's center, and we find that your idea of the events as it happens, don't make any sense.

Once again your comprehension skills fail you, I never said the power cell exploded before Maul leapt away, but rather it exploded simultaneously with Maul's attempt to escape the explosion. An explosion that was moving at speeds far beyond what Maul should realistically be capable of evading. Your attempt to compound reaction speed with speed of movement being a moot point for obvious reasons.

And I really needn't have to point out that when something explodes, the smart idea is to move away from the explosion, but apparently so.

Meh, Maul was already off the platform and in mid-air. He wasn't in the center of the explosion and was likely just tossed by it. He gets some props for minimising the damage but it's hardly stellar.

Maul.

Quanchi come defend your idol!