Originally posted by Zenwolf
How would it take decades, when ships can cross the galaxy in days/weeks? At most months.
To gather from a million worlds? Not just visit a million worlds but gather force related material from a million worlds? I'd imagine it would take more, since I doubt they have fleets traveling to 20+planets daily.
Originally posted by MS Warehouse
How was she amped? And no, I don't think force sense has anything to do with magically finding out which, out of the billions of stars, contain force related things. He's not a God. His force sense goes as far as seeing the future (but not his death), but quite a number of people had force sense and if we're throwing "he was on a nexus" bit, lets find out what planets Palpatine was on when he had this clarity.
Traya was on Malachor V, which'd logically amp her way past her limits.
As for Sidious, he was mostly on Coruscant, and has way more Sense feats than peering into the future, like sensing the thoughts, deaths, and power of individuals who he had never met from across the galaxy. He also has some other ridiculous telepathy feats, so it's not unreasonable to assume he could sense which planets contained Force lore and which did not, and simply saying "he's not a god" doesn't constitute as a valid argument.
Originally posted by Azronger
Traya was on Malachor V, which'd logically amp her way past her limits.As for Sidious, he was mostly on Coruscant, and has way more Sense feats than peering into the future, like sensing the thoughts, deaths, and power of individuals who he had never met from across the galaxy. He also has some other ridiculous telepathy feats, so it's not unreasonable to assume he could sense which planets contained Force lore and which did not, and simply saying "he's not a god" doesn't constitute as a valid argument.
His telepathy feats have nothing to do with magically finding a million force related planets. I don't have to state sidious is not a god because there's no reason to make that argument. The only worthy argument is the limitless supply of the GE but it still doesn't answer how realistic the whole thing is even with their numbers and logistics.
Originally posted by The_Tempest
Star Wars as a whole becomes a nonstarter if our threshold for canon facts is what is realistic to the audience. It's called suspension of disbelief, Beef. Your concerns have been more than adequately addressed.
Nah, only because it fits into your narrative and supports your favorite character. The mere logistics is cause for concern. That's why I wanted someone like RH to come in and do some number crunching to make it at least more believable.
Originally posted by MS Warehouse
Nah, only because it fits into your narrative and supports your favorite character. The mere logistics is cause for concern. That's why I wanted someone like RH to come in and do some number crunching to make it at least more believable.
It's pretty effortless to turn the accusation of bias around on you: you reject the quote/aggressively because it hypes Palpatine, whereas your agenda favors the ancient Sith.
Again, the entire thing becomes pointless.
Originally posted by The_Tempest
It's pretty effortless to turn the accusation of bias around on you: you reject the quote/aggressively because it hypes Palpatine, whereas your agenda favors the ancient Sith.Again, the entire thing becomes pointless.
Nah because if you throw around circumstances that you'd have a hard time believing regarding the ancient sith, I'd be more inclined to agree than disagree.
Originally posted by MS Warehouse
Nah because if you throw around circumstances that you'd have a hard time believing regarding the ancient sith, I'd be more inclined to agree than disagree.
Clearly not, otherwise you wouldn't trump them up as much as you do. Your position requires that we take everything we've been told about the ancient Sith at face value, especially given their relative lack of exposure.
Your bias means you suspend disbelief when it favors the ancient Sith but become the world's biggest skeptic on all things Palpatine.
So we're back to square one: anyone can accuse anyone else here of bias and if all we're going to do is say "nah, that's unrealistic" when confronted with canon facts, the entire enterprise is futile and pointless.
But that's pretty stupid, so it's probably for the best that we don't do that.
Clearly not, otherwise you wouldn't trump them up as much as you do. Your position requires that we take everything we've been told about the ancient Sith at face value, especially given their relative lack of exposure.
Your bias means you suspend disbelief when it favors the ancient Sith but become the world's biggest skeptic on all things Palpatine.Give me an example
Originally posted by MS Warehouse
Don't be daft,
This is ironic coming from someone who's quibbling over logistical issues in a franchise featuring faster than light travel, space wizards, planet killing death rays, and a zillion other "unrealistic" elements.
I've outlined my arguments as to why the ancient sith should be taken seriously.
Yes, and like every other Star Wars related argument ever, it relies on suspension of disbelief and accepting at face value "unrealistic" facts.
Give me an example
I already have: you accept every statement that favors the ancient Sith and SWTOR and other things you like without applying the same rigorous standards you do with statements about things you don't.
This is why the overplayed "omg bias" accusation is pointless. So rather than get lost on that tangent for another 12 pages, it sounds like you and I need to agree to disagree on not just this subject, but Star Wars in general lol.
Sorry, mobile, hence the formatting issues.
This is ironic coming from someone who's quibbling over logistical issues in a franchise featuring faster than light travel, space wizards, planet killing death rays, and a zillion other "unrealistic" elements.
I already have: you accept every statement that favors the ancient Sith and SWTOR and other things you like without applying the same rigorous standards you do with statements about things you don't.
Originally posted by MS Warehouse
I'm not saying it's not possible, I'm saying it would (in my opinion) take decades if not centuries to gather works from a million world and send them back to Palpatine, one world at a time. Not to mention sorting out it so Palpatine can study something.
I'm sorry...but what?
Don't you work for a certain tech company that deals with a comparable number of textual sources and distributes them on a global scale? Yet you find it implausible that a Galactic Empire with the technological capacity to construct planet-destroying battle stations and the software to produce sentient robots can't "sort out" a bunch of texts?
Originally posted by JKBart
👆 I'm nearly done with this shit and it really depends, some are insanely difficult and in others you have to study 10h/month.
No really, I'm pretty sure in a lot of law schools it's close to technically impossible to fail out if you write anything on the exams. At worst you just graduate at the bottom of your class.
Originally posted by The Ellimist
I'm sorry...but what?Don't you work for a certain tech company that deals with a comparable number of textual sources and distributes them on a global scale? Yet you find it implausible that a Galactic Empire with the technological capacity to construct planet-destroying battle stations and the software to produce sentient robots can't "sort out" a bunch of texts?
No, I own my own. I don't know where you are getting your information.. And because I own my own and do a little over half a million a month in sales, I find it implausible. Not to mention, doing what I do has nothing to do with believing that it's plausible to sort out a "bunch" of texts from a million worlds.. Really, your comparison is just awful.
Edit: I mean if you want to take the biggest online retailer in the world (amazon) and find out how many shipments they send out daily, you'd grasp the sheer enormity of not only conquering a million worlds, but finding a million worlds full of force activity and gathering everything from there, in a short amount of time. We know the GE numbers are incredible, but they're not unlimited and neither is their technology.
Originally posted by MS Warehouse
I find it implausible.
You keep saying this, but you still haven't actually explained why.
Sure, it's at least one piece of text from millions of planets each, but the Empire also has the resources of said millions of planets. That's just about one book (or whatever) per planet. If anything, it's a small figure. Even we can write, what, thousands of books on, say, Barrack Obama's presidency in his eight years in office? Would you express the same incredulity over the United States being able to collect more than one important document on an esoteric subject with twenty years to spare?
(And this is ignoring the clearly monstrous technological and logistical capabilities of the Galactic Empire; apparently, they can construct a Death Star in a year, but finding some old books on the Force and sorting through them is just implausible or something, even when an official source literally says that they did that.)
If your point is that Force sensitivity is an incredibly rare phenomena, the math still doesn't work out for you. Most of these planets have had at least twenty five thousand years for some prominent Force user to have arisen there. That's probably a hundred billion+ potential candidates per planet. No implausibility there.
Originally posted by The Ellimist
No really, I'm pretty sure in a lot of law schools it's close to technically impossible to fail out if you write anything on the exams. At worst you just graduate at the bottom of your class.
And there are some where requirements are extra high, although that does not necessarily have anything to do with the standards of education there. In my case it's one of those with extra high requirements but average education at best.
In those harder examples in the exam you get 3 "questions" and each "question" is a single chapter out of, let's say, 30 chapters. And you're supposed to write everything possible on the topic. Sounds good and allowing to focus on anything you know and get persuasive trying to sell yourself as well as you can, ay? I thought so, but it turned out it basically works like this: you write 90% of the stuff there was in the books, lectures and additional places, and you get 2 points out of 4 because "I really wanted you to add that one word when talking about [1 of at least 10 elements of the topic] there was in that one book, I just don't feel that without that one word, it's really good one". Literally lol.
However, my uni sucks in that regard lmao. It's 3rd/4th in the country in terms of quality of education (which is pretty low considering the size of Poland and the standards here) and from what I gather, it has the most fugged up exam styles.
It will definitely not say you anything lol but it's the "UAM" from Poznań/Poznan/Posen.