Originally posted by Jmanghan
Satele force pushed him and almost killed him with a force blast.
Dude, Jace had just exploded a granade on his face and she obviously caught Malgus off guard. ._.
On neutral circunstances, it was Malgus who force pushed her to create a decisive tactical advantage.
Also, if Satele is so superior, why did she bought down a tree, in order to disengage from Malgus, if she could just force push him some feet away?
Originally posted by TenebrousWayYour logic: "People can't resist TK if they're caught off-guard for a moment."
Dude, Jace had just exploded a granade on his face and she obviously caught Malgus off guard. ._.On neutral circunstances, it was Malgus who force pushed her to create a decisive tactical advantage.
Also, if Satele is so superior, why did she bought down a tree, in order to disengage from Malgus, if she could just force push him some feet away?
He couldn't resist because he simply wasn't able.
Offensive TK and Defensive TK are different things.
Take Kylo Ren for example, he's described as having immense TK... defense.
Originally posted by SunRazerWhy do we have any reason to believe that Act III Wrath is anywhere near the level of the HoT?
Baras wins. He was contending with Act III Wrath, who'd be reasonably around Act III Hot's level. Scourge was merely stalemating Act II HoT.
IIRC, regardless, Wrath II beat Baras pretty easily, humiliated him in front of the Dark Council.
By your logic, the power-scaling doesn't make sense.
On top of that, its repeatedly said that the entire Dark Council fears Scourge, and according to the quotes, its not because he's the Emperor's Wrath.
It also states that Scourge is sent out to kill any Sith that get too powerful and ambitious, which would include Baras.
"But wouldn't that include Malgus?"
Lord Scourge was already with the HoT by the time Malgus decided to name himself the False Emperor.
Originally posted by NewGuy01Uh, it states that Act II HoT fought Scourge to a stalemate.
Neither of those things are necessarily true.&the reason to assume Act III Wrath is anywhere near Act II HoT is that his feats are superior, lol.
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So yeah, it kind of is.
That would make Act III Wrath and Baras SUPREMELY and VASTLY above Satele.
And if Act I HoT is above Satele, then that would make Act II HoT MUCH higher then Satele.
Also the fact that a lot of accolades for Scourge were that the Dark Council was scared of him.
Originally posted by Jmanghan
Why do we have any reason to believe that Act III Wrath is anywhere near the level of the HoT?
Superior feats and scaling?
IIRC, regardless, Wrath II beat Baras pretty easily, humiliated him in front of the Dark Council.
It wasn't easy. The Wrath won through exhaustion, not directly overwhelming Baras.
On top of that, its repeatedly said that the entire Dark Council fears Scourge, and according to the quotes, its not because he's the Emperor's Wrath.
And Baras fooled the Dark Council into thinking that he wielded the Emperor's power.
It also states that Scourge is sent out to kill any Sith that get too powerful and ambitious, which would include Baras."But wouldn't that include Malgus?"
Lord Scourge was already with the HoT by the time Malgus decided to name himself the False Emperor.
It also states that Scourge killed Jedi that the Emperor deemed too powerful to stay alive. Unless you think there's a hundred plus Jedi who are more powerful than Satele, then it's not meant to be taken so literally. Scourge's victims are powerful, but not top-tier.
Scourge is so under estimated nowadays it really sucks.
Why beacuse he is equal an obviously nerfed Jedi Exile?
I get it though its a novel a real canon resource...okay.
Then why cant we disuade that as WIS and CIS for Meetra
like we did General Lolcow Greives in TCW...............
kind of a double standard tbh.
Originally posted by SunRazer
Superior feats and scaling?It wasn't easy. The Wrath won through exhaustion, not directly overwhelming Baras.
And Baras fooled the Dark Council into thinking that he wielded the Emperor's power.
It also states that Scourge killed Jedi that the Emperor deemed too powerful to stay alive. Unless you think there's a hundred plus Jedi who are more powerful than Satele, then it's not meant to be taken so literally. Scourge's victims are powerful, but not top-tier.
I guess? Although I'd put the weakened Emperor above Baras and Wrath II.
Yet every Dark Council member recognized that Wrath II was the better combatant.
But he didn't.
Yes, because Scourge is gonna land on Tython, assassinate Satele, and get off scot-free. Of course.
It also states that all Dark Council members fear Scourge, which includes Baras, and based on the description, it isn't because of his title. It goes so far that they afraid to even offend him.
Originally posted by Dread Dark
Scourge is so under estimated nowadays it really sucks.Why beacuse he is equal an obviously nerfed Jedi Exile?
I get it though its a novel a real canon resource...okay.
Then why cant we disuade that as WIS and CIS for Meetra
like we did General Lolcow Greives in TCW...............
kind of a double standard tbh.
He WAS equal to an obviously nerfed Jedi Exile, he became much more powerful in TOR.
He wasn't equal to the Exile in the novel. He estimated that based on Surik fighting non-Force sensitives. But seeing as he was forced back by Nyriss even when he had Surik's assistance, whereas Surik held her ground solo, it's obvious who's superior. Of course, that entire fight was pretty shit anyway, lol.
@Jmanghan - Of course Wrath II was better, just not by that great of a margin.
Baras doesn't become a Dark Councillor until after Scourge leaves the position, and Baras fooled the Council into thinking that he wielded Vitiate's power, which is beyond anything Scourge has ever intimidated the Council into believing.
Originally posted by SunRazerBaras clearly didn't "intimidate" the council, as no one was scared when Baras gave them orders and such.
He wasn't equal to the Exile in the novel. He estimated that based on Surik fighting non-Force sensitives. But seeing as he was forced back by Nyriss even when he had Surik's assistance, whereas Surik held her ground solo, it's obvious who's superior. Of course, that entire fight was pretty shit anyway, lol.@Jmanghan - Of course Wrath II was better, just not by that great of a margin.
Baras doesn't become a Dark Councillor until after Scourge leaves the position, and Baras fooled the Council into thinking that he wielded Vitiate's power, which is beyond anything Scourge has ever intimidated the Council into believing.
Meetra was getting her ass thrashed and stomped by Nyriss JUST as bad as Scourge was.
No, he estimated that by sensing her power, Scourge is able to use Force Sense, as well as precognition, thats what he used to sense fear in Xedrix.
Scourge never attempted to scare the council into believing anything, because he didn't really care about the affairs of the Dark Council.
Originally posted by Jmanghan
Baras clearly didn't "intimidate" the council, as no one was scared when Baras gave them orders and such.
No, but they believed that he was the Voice until the second Wrath came along. And we know the Voice wields Vitiate's power, a notion backed by the codex and Encyclopedia.
Meetra was getting her ass thrashed and stomped by Nyriss JUST as bad as Scourge was.
So you'll just ignore what I said, what the novel says, and just continue to repeat yourself?
Meetra did better than Scourge. That's beyond question. She was standing her ground solo, Scourge was being forced back even with Meetra by his side. And that was on a nexus that amped Scourge whilst weakening Meetra.
No, he estimated that by sensing her power, Scourge is able to use Force Sense, as well as precognition, thats what he used to sense fear in Xedrix.
Nope. He was clearly talking about combat abilities, not just raw power, which you can't get from just Sensing someone. Observation obviously played a part.
Scourge never attempted to scare the council into believing anything, because he didn't really care about the affairs of the Dark Council.
Regardless, even Vowrawn was willing to step out of line to investigate Scourge. Scourge doesn't scare anyone but no-names, lol.
Originally posted by SunRazerIt says the ENTIRE Dark Council, and even the best Imperial Guards were "no match" for Rookie Scourge, despite them being able to best Dark Council members in combat.
No, but they believed that he was the Voice until the second Wrath came along. And we know the Voice wields Vitiate's power, a notion backed by the codex and Encyclopedia.So you'll just ignore what I said, what the novel says, and just continue to repeat yourself?
Meetra did better than Scourge. That's beyond question. She was standing her ground solo, Scourge was being forced back even with Meetra by his side. And that was on a nexus that amped Scourge whilst weakening Meetra.
Nope. He was clearly talking about combat abilities, not just raw power, which you can't get from just Sensing someone. Observation obviously played a part.
Regardless, even Vowrawn was willing to step out of line to investigate Scourge. Scourge doesn't scare anyone but no-names, lol.
If you could be so kind as to post the Nyriss vs Meetra and Scourge fight, I'll agree, I've only ever heard it on an audiobook, and I don't remember much.