Originally posted by Jmanghan
It says the ENTIRE Dark Council, and even the best Imperial Guards were "no match" for Rookie Scourge, despite them being able to best Dark Council members in combat.
Yeah, the Imperial Guard can collectively beat Dark Councillors, not individually, lol.
If you could be so kind as to post the Nyriss vs Meetra and Scourge fight, I'll agree, I've only ever heard it on an audiobook, and I don't remember much.
Here:
She raised her free hand above her head and fired off another burst of lightning. Both Scourge and Meetra threw themselves clear of the deadly electrical bolt, but in doing so they gave Nyriss the early advantage.Before they could recover, she leapt at them. Despite her withered appearance, she moved with the all the speed and ferocity of a dark side warrior in her prime. She landed right between her two adversaries, her blade flashing back and forth in a series of slashes and cuts that immediately threw her two opponents on the defensive.
Scourge barely managed to parry the first wave of her assault, unable to even think about countering with an attack of his own. Another quick thrust forced him off balance and he staggered backward.
Nyriss seized on the opportunity to focus all her efforts on breaking through Meetra’s defenses. The Jedi was clearly overmatched; though she managed to hold her ground, she was forced down to one knee.
-- The Old Republic: Revan
Note that Scourge had Meetra by his side and was still forced back. Meetra, by contrast, held her ground solo. And we've yet to factor in the nexuses. Meetra's above Scourge's paygrade.
Originally posted by SunRazer
Yeah, the Imperial Guard can collectively beat Dark Councillors, not individually, lol.Here:
Note that Scourge had Meetra by his side and was still forced back. Meetra, by contrast, held her ground solo. And we've yet to factor in the nexuses. Meetra's above Scourge's paygrade.
So, just because Scourge fell over, and Meetra was still standing, makes her better then him?
Originally posted by Jmanghan
So, just because Scourge fell over, and Meetra was still standing, makes her better then him?
Scourge was forced back even with Surik's assistance. Surik stood her ground solo, so yes, that does make her better. You don't retreat unless you have to.
There's no comparison, Meetra's just much better, especially once you factor in the nexus amping Scourge and hindering Surik.
Originally posted by SunRazerHe didn't retreat, he staggered back.
Scourge was forced back even with Surik's assistance. Surik stood her ground solo, so yes, that does make her better. You don't retreat unless you have to.There's no comparison, Meetra's just much better, especially once you factor in the nexus amping Scourge and hindering Surik.
Like if you shoved someone irl, they'd stagger back. Its not retreating, its being pushed back by a superior opponent.
Tbh, the quote that you posted makes Scourge seem BETTER then Meetra in that fight.
And she clearly didn't stand her ground, because she was forced to her knees.
Originally posted by Jmanghan
He didn't retreat, he staggered back.Like if you shoved someone irl, they'd [b]stagger back
. Its not retreating, its being pushed back by a superior opponent.Tbh, the quote that you posted makes Scourge seem BETTER then Meetra in that fight.
And she clearly didn't stand her ground, because she was forced to her knees. [/B]
lol Surik being forced to one knee is proof that she was outmatched, as the text says. Nevertheless, she still managed to stand her ground, which the text also directly states. Scourge was forced back - he couldn't even stand his ground. You don't need to overcomplicate things. Surik's better.
Originally posted by SunRazerYeah, she stood her ground... from a single attack.
lol Surik being forced to one knee is proof that she was outmatched, as the text says. Nevertheless, she still managed to stand her ground, which the text also directly states. Scourge was forced back - he couldn't even stand his ground. You don't need to overcomplicate things. Surik's better.
If Scourge didn't stagger back from Nyriss' thrust, he would have died, they were on the same level during that fight, you saying that Meetra Surik is better based on the evidence you provided is just misinformation.
At least Scourge was actually able to hold off her onslaught for a short amount of time, Meetra got brought to her knees after roughly a few attacks.
It says hold her ground btw, not "stand" her ground, as she clearly wasn't standing.
Nyriss couldn't break through either of tbeir defenses, either.
So don't try bringing that up as a point to aid your argument.
Do you even know what "stand your ground" means? It's exactly the same as "hold your ground" - holding your position. It has nothing to do with standing upright.
Scourge was forced back because maintaining his position was an impossibility. Surik managed to do that. Ergo, she's better, especially factoring in the nexus.
At least Scourge was actually able to hold off her onslaught for a short amount of time, Meetra got brought to her knees after roughly a few attacks.
Umm.... what? Scourge had Meetra by his side and was still forced off, whereas Surik managed to hold her position solo. It's really not that hard to understand.
Nyriss couldn't break through either of tbeir defenses, either.
Again, what?
Originally posted by SunRazer
Do you even know what "stand your ground" means? It's exactly the same as "hold your ground" - holding your position. It has nothing to do with standing upright.Scourge was forced back because maintaining his position was an impossibility. Surik managed to do that. Ergo, she's better, especially factoring in the nexus.
Umm.... what? Scourge had Meetra by his side and was still forced off, whereas Surik managed to hold her position solo. It's really not that hard to understand.
Again, what?
They were on opposite sides of each other, and Nyriss jumped in between them.
Ok, so why is Meetra "holding her ground" on one knee somehow more impressive then what happened to Scourge?
Because Scourge was forced back and Meetra wasn't? It was due to the nature of the attacks that Nyriss was dishing out.
You'd dodge a slash differently then you'd dodge a stab, right?
Nyriss performed a thrust, Meetra would have been forced back as well. :/
Originally posted by Jmanghan
They were on opposite sides of each other, and Nyriss jumped in between them.Ok, so why is Meetra "holding her ground" on one knee somehow more impressive then what happened to Scourge?
Because Scourge was forced back and Meetra wasn't? It was due to the nature of the attacks that Nyriss was dishing out.
You'd dodge a slash differently then you'd dodge a stab, right?
Nyriss performed a thrust, Meetra would have been forced back as well. :/
There's no indication of what she did against Meetra other than using all of her efforts on her. On the other hand, Scourge was forced back even when Surik was by his side.
There's no comparison. Just stop dragging this on by inserting nonexistent context.
Originally posted by SunRazerYes, there is.
There's no indication of what she did against Meetra other than using all of her efforts on her. On the other hand, Scourge was forced back even when Surik was by his side.There's no comparison. Just stop dragging this on by inserting nonexistent context.
They weren't even side-by-side.
This dumbass novel is contradicting itself saying Nyriss jumped in between them, which means they were on opposite sides of eachother.
So it goes like this.
Scourge is here - Nyriss is here - Meetra is here.
If she was forced to her knees it was clearly a downward slash, as theres really no other way at all, that she would be forced to her knees.