Originally posted by darthbane77Both the Kelvin timeline and the First Order would hammer the Ot era. We have at least two more films for the First Order so it's too early to tell. I'd rather debate the Kelvin vs the Ot era.
Kelvin timeline is better than the OT era, but the OT would still give a fight. But that's irrelevant, as this is the First Order.
Originally posted by darthbane77In a full scale war with every character and ship we see on screen both good and bad guys aligned Kelvin timeline beats the crud off the Ot era. Do you agree ?
On a ship to ship basis then the Kelvin timeline does stomp the OT era. If it's a full scale war and we're talking fleet vs fleet battles, the OT wins by virtue of numbers. They far outnumber Star-Fleet, even though Kelvin Starfleeet is more advanced.
You two clearly don't know anything about the Empire's and First Order's naval capabilities. Phasers don't have the power to breach SW shields, and Photon Torpedoes lack the destructive force to reliably damage any Imperial cruiser. Additionally, do you think that Trek shields will last long against a single volley of ion cannon fire? Hell no. Dreadnaught would get oneshot by even an ISD-1. The Executor would solo the Voth.
Originally posted by TondemonaiYou sound like a completely closed minded tool who is a Star Wars fanatic. Yes, they do based off the evidence whereas smaller rebel ships can break through their shields.
You two clearly don't know anything about the Empire's and First Order's naval capabilities. Phasers don't have the power to breach SW shields, and Photon Torpedoes lack the destructive force to reliably damage any Imperial cruiser. Additionally, do you think that Trek shields will last long against a single volley of ion cannon fire? Hell no. Dreadnaught would get oneshot by even an ISD-1. The Executor would solo the Voth.
Yes, I definitely believe so. You laughably overrate the Star Wars ships. We have seen Star Wars technology get destroyed by primitive ewoks. Just stop now because you are just making fanboyish claims without anything to back them up. Anyone can just randomly state bullshit.
Originally posted by ZenwolfSnoke and Kylo.
Better leadership? Hardly. I'm not seeing a Veers or Piett or Vader within the FO.Better troops? Outside of melee combat? Not really no.
Vader is overrated.
Yes, we have clearly seen their troops are far more capable in combat than the Stormtroopers of the Ot era. Quit making excuses for the piss poor empire.
Originally posted by darthbane77I said all good and bad guys aligned. You're forgetting about the Khan, Klingons, Narada, Krall, his swarm, etc.
On a SHIP TO SHIP level, Kelvin timeline is superior, but in a full scale war or in a battle between two fleets; the Empire crushes them.
What we see in the films Ot gets hammered.
Originally posted by TondemonaiActually, I do. Kelvin timeline doesn't just use phasers, they also use plasma cannons. I have a growing knowledge of the Trek universe, I'm not extremely knowledgeable but I know more than most (most meaning casual fans.) Star Wars tech is kind of hard to judge tbh, as the in-universe stats and the visual representations don't always seem to agree.
You two clearly don't know anything about the Empire's and First Order's naval capabilities. Phasers don't have the power to breach SW shields, and Photon Torpedoes lack the destructive force to reliably damage any Imperial cruiser. Additionally, do you think that Trek shields will last long against a single volley of ion cannon fire? Hell no. Dreadnaught would get oneshot by even an ISD-1. The Executor would solo the Voth.
Originally posted by darthbane77
Actually, I do. Kelvin timeline doesn't just use phasers, they also use plasma cannons. I have a growing knowledge of the Trek universe, I'm not extremely knowledgeable but I know more than most (most meaning casual fans.) Star Wars tech is kind of hard to judge tbh, as the in-universe stats and the visual representations don't always seem to agree.
Would you like to share your knowledge then? Because none of the bias, usually baseless bs that Quanchi posts has suaded me in any way to think that the Enterprise could even handle a troop transport, let alone an ISD. This whole time I've been talking in terms of pure naval warfare, ground combat isn't even a conversation worth having since it's so far in SW's favor.
Originally posted by TondemonaiSays the guy who hasn't used a shred of evidence to back his baseless claims.
Would you like to share your knowledge then? Because none of the bias, usually baseless bs that Quanchi posts has suaded me in any way to think that the Enterprise could even handle a troop transport, let alone an ISD. This whole time I've been talking in terms of pure naval warfare, ground combat isn't even a conversation worth having since it's so far in SW's favor.
ISD's aren't very maneuverable. You claim they are too powerful for the Trek ships to handle. What is this based off ?
Who needs ground combat when they can take planets out or decimate ground troops with their ships from the air.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Snoke and Kylo.Vader is overrated.
Yes, we have clearly seen their troops are far more capable in combat than the Stormtroopers of the Ot era. Quit making excuses for the piss poor empire.
Neither Snoke or Kylo haven't done anything as far as tactics go, they haven't led troops nor have they commanded in space battles.
Veers and Piett have done that, Vader has also.
Not really, the FO troops did what exactly? Raid a run down village and a cantina and capture Han, Chewie and Finn right?...Before getting rescued.
Ok...let's compare.
Now the GE Storms, overran a Rebel defended force aboard the Tantive IV, they crushed an entire Rebel base and capture a Rebel Strike Force consisting of Han Solo, Chewie, Leia and a group of SpecForce. Before being saved.
The FO Troops clearly aren't superior as of 1 movie, can they be superior? Sure, but that remains to be seen.