Originally posted by quanchi112
Ok, I simply can't resist not further delving into this ridiculous claim. Yoda was also powerful enough to stop a pod with a lot of momentum from striking him. When Yoda tk'd Palpatine did it break him ? Give me one canon example of someone breaking a body with sheer tk force alone.
People have been giving it to you for ages now. Yoda knocked out the red guards; Palpatine choked the guards while confronting Maul and Oppress; Dooku tossed Obi Wan across a hanger and knocked him out cold; Qui Gon and Obi Wan were disabling battle droids with Force pushes. Whether or not they "break bone", they are enough to put Khan out of commission.
But even in the absence of those examples, the fact that you can't figure out that the force needed to fling those giant senate pods into the air would be sufficient to destroy Khan is kind of embarrassing.
So you believe Palpatine has a Lightsaber here ? I'll ask you again to read the op. Palpatine didn't have a lightsaber when Vader did it either. Why do you think I said it ? My point is he was unable despite his precognition to stop a one handed cyborg from picking him up and killing him. Did Palpatine rip Vader in half ? If not why do you insist on exaggerating what Palpatine can do here.
And as you should've noted by now (mainly because I've pointed it out multiple times): Palpatine was distracted manically electrocuting Luke.
Same can be said about Yoda's tk yet that didn't kill Palpatine.
Nice job ignoring the half a dozen times I repeated to you that Force users are incredibly durable.
So none of this counts. Oh brother. Palpatine doesn't have to kill he can just ko.
It's almost like you didn't understand the sequence at all or something. Palpatine was clearly torturing Maul. He was laughing manically, pausing to give wisecracks, etc. But even if his lightning were so weak, if it puts Khan on the ground convulsing helplessly, then Khan naturally has effectively lost, hasn't he? He would've dropped his gun and would be lying on the ground being electrocuted.
BTW, look to RotS to see what a serious Sidious can do: his lightning tosses Mace Windu literally hundreds of feet out of a window.
Now I'm going to point something out, and then repeat it multiple times, since when I make a point once you seem to forget to respond to it: even if Palpatine's lightning can only throw Khan hundreds of feet and spazz him out, and even if his TK can only mildly injure Khan, they're still sufficient to give Palpatine the win, because Khan literally can't do anything when every time he stands up an invisible force picks him up and tosses him across the room. And he's going to wear out eventually - see him with Spock.
And since you want to debate like this, remember when Spock beat up Kirk? He couldn't even knock him out! But hey, that was enough to take out Khan - yet Palpatine's TK, which can kill guards and is substantially beyond that of Dooku's, which can KO Obi Wan, isn't going to be a problem with repeated use?
He did kill Opress but the tk attacks didn't even seriously hurt him.
He was toying with him. This should be obvious when you see him voluntarily releasing his TK hold, and then turning his lightsaber off and dancing around just to f*ck with him.
Palpatine even announced Luke would now die and after thirty seconds of continued exposure he walked away like a migraine suddenly vanished without any lingering effects.
If he wanted to kill Luke as quickly as possible, he would've just grabbed Luke's (or his own) lightsaber and chopped his head off.
And even if his lightning were only capable of doing that, it is, once again, still enough to win him the fight.
And once again, Luke, being a Force user, is incredibly durable anyway.
So what ? How many Jedi died to order 66 when they were shot ?
Fine, let's use your logic: if Khan is so powerful, why did he lose to Spock? Oohhh, I can just mention him losing without any reference to context, and that automatically wins the debate for me!
Vader overpowered him with one hand. He didn't use the force to toss him he did it the old fashioned way.
So what? Is Khan going to be able to get up right next to Sidious, grab him from behind and toss him down a shaft?
Wait - didn't Khan lose to Spock the "old fashioned way"? And he wasn't even distracted!
So you concede precognition when his focus is on casually torturing someone. Khan is stronger than Vader as well as quicker. Khan has superhuman cellular regeneration. Did you forget the film ? He won a fight without even throwing a punch because he recovers at a superhuman level. It failed to even harm Luke who doesn't recover at a cellular superhuman level.
Jesus f*cking Christ. Sidious is not distracted here, so your example is irrelevant.
As for durability, when has Khan ever casually landed on an airspeeder at terminal velocity? Because padawan Anakin did that, and Dooku took him out with one hand.
This is the problem most here aren't familiar with the characters and simply support the Star Wars one because they like him or her more. Vader died pretty quickly after. He is the only one unable to tank fl. Luke's bare skin resisted the fl better than Vader.
Dude, you didn't even know who Ventress was a few pages ago.
But this is why everyone is mocking you: I've made the point about Jedi durability on several occasions now, and you don't even respond to it - you literally just cut it out of your response. Nobody can tell if it's due to carelessness, deceit or incompetence.
Khan beats him up and crushes his cranium. I was just citing evidence of someone physically overpowering the weaker Palpatine who once again doesn't have a light saber.
How does he beat up someone with telekinesis? How does he get close enough, when Palpatine can just pick him up and slam him hundreds of times until he's dead?
I once again suggest you read the op.
I suggest you show a little more respect to both your opponents and the forum's collective intelligence by actually responding to arguments instead of repeating yourself.
Originally posted by The EllimistYou really don't see your own hypocrisy. Yoda knocked out the red guards because he forced pushed them into the wall. THE WALL!!! If I push you and you don't hit anything and just fall back compare that to me pushing you through a glass window. What has more of an impact on the body ? Yes, he can apply pressure and restrict breath but that isn't breaking the body now is it ? Yes, the force push didn't ko him but the force push and the impact into the hangar did so. We see Dooku force push earlier and without the victim slamming into something it's just a knock you back with no significance.
People have been giving it to you for ages now. Yoda knocked out the red guards; Palpatine choked the guards while confronting Maul and Oppress; Dooku tossed Obi Wan across a hanger and knocked him out cold; Qui Gon and Obi Wan were disabling battle droids with Force pushes. Whether or not they "break bone", they are enough to put Khan out of commission.
Not based off the evidence. Even force users can't tank attacks like Khan did. That's an example of someone unable to even faze him but we see a choke, a kick, or a headbutt clearly affect Jedi while in close quarters combat.
Save when the force hit other less durable men it didn't break them either. That's what's embarrassing. For ****s sake Maul catches Kenobi off guard and force pushes him. Does he break his bones or just knock him back like I claim happens ?? We later see Maul while under the duress of use the force to move a space ship but yet when he uses his force push against a Jedi without his guard up no bones were broken just like I claim.
But even in the absence of those examples, the fact that you can't figure out that the force needed to fling those giant senate pods into the air would be sufficient to destroy Khan is kind of embarrassing.
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So despite being the master of the Sith he can't multi task because he was busy torturing someone ?And as you should've noted by now (mainly because I've pointed it out multiple times): Palpatine was distracted manically electrocuting Luke.
Nice job ignoring the half a dozen times I repeated to you that Force users are incredibly durable.
You never backed it up. Not once. Baseless claim. We see blasters hurt them the same it hurts a non force user. Jango seemed just as effective with his attacks as Kenobi did. Jango isn't a force user. Where do you come up with this stuff ?
Khan is more durable and can recover faster than anything Maul has displayed. Khan resisted eight stun blasts from Uhura which usually ko after an extended fight with Spock and a crash landing. Khan would walk through it.
It's almost like you didn't understand the sequence at all or something. Palpatine was clearly torturing Maul. He was laughing manically, pausing to give wisecracks, etc. But even if his lightning were so weak, if it puts Khan on the ground convulsing helplessly, then Khan naturally has effectively lost, hasn't he? He would've dropped his gun and would be lying on the ground being electrocuted.
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So ? Windu was defenseless and just lost his hand., it was also extremely windy and the fl didn't move Luke, Palpatine, or Maul at all so it's a red herring explained away by the wind.
BTW, look to RotS to see what a serious Sidious can do: his lightning tosses Mace Windu literally hundreds of feet out of a window.Now I'm going to point something out, and then repeat it multiple times, since when I make a point once you seem to forget to respond to it: even if Palpatine's lightning can only throw Khan hundreds of feet and spazz him out, and even if his TK can only mildly injure Khan, they're still sufficient to give Palpatine the win, because Khan literally can't do anything when every time he stands up an invisible force picks him up and tosses him across the room. And he's going to wear out eventually - see him with Spock.
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False, since Khan will close the distance just as Maul, Windu, etc. did. Palpatine cackles and is ridiculous in battles. He let Yoda recover by sitting around laughing for over 30 seconds while he had the advantage. He's an idiot. His overconfidence was his undoing in the end. Khan once again can walk through the fl just as he walked through the Uhura stun blasts.
Spock fought Khan after he crash landed, initially had a weapon, was about to have his head crushed when Uhura stun blasted him eight times. Spock also used a metallic weapon. So why bring up Kirk ? Kirk was at his mercy nor did Spock have Uhura's phaser stunner nor did he use a metallic weapon on Khan.
And since you want to debate like this, remember when Spock beat up Kirk? He couldn't even knock him out! But hey, that was enough to take out Khan - yet Palpatine's TK, which can kill guards and is substantially beyond that of Dooku's, which can KO Obi Wan, isn't going to be a problem with repeated use?[/B]
No, it'll knock him back but his superhuman cell regeneration will be resilient enough to negate the effects.
Palpatine also toyed with Yoda the most powerful Jedi so he toys with people he shouldn't. He toyed with Luke and look what happened. His overconfidence is a consistent recurring character flaw.
He was toying with him. This should be obvious when you see him voluntarily releasing his TK hold, and then turning his lightsaber off and dancing around just to f*ck with him.[/B]
I agree but prolonging it cost him. He intended on killing him at the end with the fl. It wasn't very powerful. Clearly.
If he wanted to kill Luke as quickly as possible, he would've just grabbed Luke's (or his own) lightsaber and chopped his head off.And even if his lightning were only capable of doing that, it is, once again, still enough to win him the fight.
And once again, Luke, being a Force user, is incredibly durable anyway.
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Says you who willfully ignores Khan's superhuman cell regeneration. Prove it.
I have not ignored any context whatsoever. If you feel differently cite the examples.
Fine, let's use your logic: if Khan is so powerful, why did he lose to Spock? Oohhh, I can just mention him losing without any reference to context, and that automatically wins the debate for me![/B]
No, he will beat the shit out of him in hand to hand and then crush his skull.
So what? Is Khan going to be able to get up right next to Sidious, grab him from behind and toss him down a shaft?Wait - didn't Khan lose to Spock the "old fashioned way"? And he wasn't even distracted!
Jesus f*cking Christ. Sidious is not distracted here, so your example is irrelevant.
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I didn't cite the example to say it's going to happen in the same way I used it as an example of how powerless he is when someone superhumanly strong gets ahold of him. Khan has better strength, durability, showings as well is more mobile than Vader.
That is about as relevant to a fight as saying Khan survived the crash and jumped 98 feet. Khan can tank fists, phaser blasts, etc. with little effect. Palpatine can't.
As for durability, when has Khan ever casually landed on an airspeeder at terminal velocity? Because padawan Anakin did that, and Dooku took him out with one hand.
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This thread is about Palpatine the guy with a walker not Anakin who was affected by Kenobi's punches and kicks just fine which is relevant.
What the hell are you talking about ? Ventress is the weaker former apprentice of Dooku that had both Kenobi and Anakin at the enrich of a force choke until the ship moved which broke her concentration thus releasing them.
Dude, you didn't even know who Ventress was a few pages ago.But this is why everyone is mocking you: I've made the point about Jedi durability on several occasions now, and you don't even respond to it - you literally just cut it out of your response. Nobody can tell if it's due to carelessness, deceit or incompetence.
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Your examples are comparing apples to oranges. When non Jedi kick or lunch Jedi or Sith they feel it just fine. That's called relevance. When Pre Vizsla attacked Maul were they both feeling the effects ? Or was Maul just on another level and unable to feel any of his attacks because of the force ?
Palpatine never does that. Never. You made that up based off his powers completing ignoring or bypassing the tendencies of the characters.
How does he beat up someone with telekinesis? How does he get close enough, when Palpatine can just pick him up and slam him hundreds of times until he's dead?I suggest you show a little more respect to both your opponents and the forum's collective intelligence by actually responding to arguments instead of repeating yourself. [/B]
I have gone done so meticulously.
Originally posted by Darth Thor
He's just trolling you saying it's not in character for him to do that:?v=-7hBZNsPnyg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-7hBZNsPnyg
Starting at 0:35 he walks through 2 Mandalorian warriors force choking them.. Then at 1:02 he pins 2 more Mandalorians high up on the wall choking them out, before even walking into the room himself! Then finally at 1:46 he begins his fight against Maul and Opress by Force Pinning (and crushing) them against the wall. And that's against 2 Powerful Force warriors. What he's facing in Khan is just 1 opponent and one who has no resistance to the Force.
He does let them go and fight them in Sabers for unknown reasons. But even then he ENDS his FIRST fight with Maul by KO'ing him with TK in the middle of the Saber fight at 2:45.
Then after killing Maul's brother and waiting for Maul to regain conciousness he fights Maul again. And at the end of his 2ND fight with @4:25 he just tosses Maul around like he's nothing.
This whole fight is Canon to the movies btw.
This is why Quanchi is obsessed over me. I've made a fool out of him too many times 😆
As I said, Khan gets casually choked out while Sidious is looking in the other direction reading the morning paper 😎
Originally posted by Darth Thor
Originally posted by quanchi112I refuted this but you continue to repeat yourself like a troll. You're such a dunce.
So when in the same room he lets the mandalorians aim their weapons before he force chokes. They did not shoot. This proves my point he doesn't do this right out of the gate.Secondly he attacks two guards before being in the same room which is irrelevant to a fight in which two combatants start in the same location.
We see Maul fight on despite the tk attacks. He doesn't press any advantage over Maul. Maul also doesn't have the resilience or the cellular regeneration of Khan making it an unfair comparison. Try to be relevant here, d. Troll.
Khan guns him down. In every instance save the one in which the guards weren't in the same room he's never ko'd anyone in this fashion. That's irrelevant to this fight since they are in the same room. We see how slow Palpatine has been to attack. Khan wins.
If an injured slower guy with one hand can do it so can Khan.
The moron known as Quan as back doing is Quaning routine. Which is synonym for acting like an idiot who can't comprehend basic scenes and context i.e. Quaning for short.
You claim Khan is stronger WTF.. By no means he Khan stronger than the Emperor. Show me one feat Khan that can match Sids LEVITATING and SWIRLING multiple senate pods at the same time, and casually throwing them one after the other. Each pod, at worst weighed 500 pounds, and likely a thousand or more. Show me any feat that can compare. You forget, somebody like Yoda is also much stronger than Khan, he levitated an x-wing, which weights thousands of pounds. Khan has no feat.
Are you claiming they aren't durable or something because Jango kicked them and they felt it? That isn't proof. Jango is a skilled combatant with a highly durable metal suit. Being kicked by that and affected, doesn't mean you aren't really durable.
The idiocy Quan displays is this thread is truly mindboggling.
Originally posted by quanchi112
There is no Lightsaber in this thread you dolt. Order 66 raped the force. Myth busted.
Is khan backed by a squad of clone troopers? I'm aware he is by himself. Khan has no weapon either so there's is no shooting either. So I'm not seeing what Order 66 has to do with anything. So if you can answer what Khan will do to avoid being choked I would love to see your answer.