Originally posted by Deronn_solo
Team demolishes. There no evidence to suggest Vitiate can auto mind rape someone as strong willed as Vader and Starkiller, on the fly, without prep.Vader's will power is sufficient enough to give Chaos the finger and virtually will himself to stay alive, while Marek, shouldn't be too far behind. Once telepathy is outta the way, Vitiate gets torn a new ******* with either frigate busting TK +, or CQC from two most skilled warriors to touch a lightsaber.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Sidious was mind raping Marek until they got interrupted iirc. Not to mention he could pwn Vader mentally.
Well, that's a great showing for Sidious. Vitiate's unprepared telepathic showings are inferior to Sid's own, in my opinion.
His showings of telepathically "dominating" Revan and Malak are overrated. Firstly, it was done on a rather potent DS Nexus in Dromund Kaas. While arguably in a weaker state than what is was when Sith Empire inhabited it, it's dark enegies were powerful enough to compel Kyle Katarn to to turn to the darkside by itself:
Kyle Katarn traveled there after learning of the witchworld in ancient inscriptions, battling a host of Sith abominations in the planet's seemingly endless bogs before succumbing to the spell of the dark side of the Force.
---Excerpt from Dark Force The Dark Forces Saga, Part 5
Secondly, Vitiate already knew of their arrival, so it was obviously a prepped showing, and not one he did on the fly. Thirdly, Malak and Revan were already skirting very close to the darkside when Vitiate turned them, so that deadens the showing even more-so.
Thanks for the responses. I'm sure you're aware of my disagreement vis a vis Sidious and Vitiate. So I'll merely respond to the other points.
Originally posted by Deronn_solo
Well, that's a great showing for Sidious. Vitiate's unprepared telepathic showings are inferior to Sid's own, in my opinion.His showings of telepathically "dominating" Revan and Malak are overrated. Firstly, it was done on a rather potent DS Nexus in Dromund Kaas. While arguably in a weaker state than what is was when Sith Empire inhabited it, it's dark enegies were powerful enough to compel Kyle Katarn to to turn to the darkside by itself:
---Excerpt from Dark Force The Dark Forces Saga, Part 5
Secondly, Vitiate already knew of their arrival, so it was obviously a prepped showing, and not one he did on the fly. Thirdly, Malak and Revan were already skirting very close to the darkside when Vitiate turned them, so that deadens the showing even more-so.
Malachor is an incredibly more potent and corrupting influence than Dromund Kaas is, at least in the Kotor era. Revan and Malak were able to walk upon it's surface without succumbing or with much effort. Considering Kaas' effects on others throughout history, it seems to me that Kyle is the exception, instead of the rule. Not that his willpower can be compared to that of Revan and Malak's.
Secondly, Swtore states that it only required a fraction of Vitiates power to turn the pair. So obviously he did not need to prep and did not do so.
Thirdly, Vader and Starkiller "skirt the darkside" a touch more than Revan and Malak did. Both are more susceptible to corruption than they were imo.
Vitiate might be able to affect Galen insofar as turning him back to the darkside given that's essentially what Sidious was subtly attempting ( or at least what the game and novel implies he was attempting ) and Galen was hesitating on whether or not to save Kota or strike Vader down but given Vitiate is going to be being pressed by both Galen and Vader here I doubt he has the time to mentally probe Galen and find out what the best way to manipulate him and turn him to the darkside would be. Galen certainly has no incentive to aid Vitiate.
Although... Is this in character Temp? Galen might choose to aid Vitiate in order to defeat Vader and find out how to get back to his own timeline and because he considers a neutral Sith to be a more viable ally then someone he hates and who hates him. I assume this is Vader and Galen right before they fight each other on the Death Star.
The Exile and her party all managed to withstand the effects of Malachor, and that was after the MSG event made it even more unbearable. I also recall Ben Skywalker and potentially others having their ability to use the Force diminished while on Kaas.
And Vader is already deeply submerged in the dark side, he can hardly be corrupted lol.
Originally posted by Beniboybling
The Exile and her party all managed to withstand the effects of Malachor, and that was after the MSG event made it even more unbearable. I also recall Ben Skywalker and potentially others having their ability to use the Force diminished while on Kaas.And Vader is already deeply submerged in the dark side, he can hardly be corrupted lol.
The Exile is also immensely strong in terms of will, and I'd surmise that her bond with her party members, on top of their own force capabilities and strong wills would have helped them withstand Malachor's effects. At any rate it's clearly a very strong force, unlike Dromund Kaas as of the Kotor era which possessed a planetary population on it and therefore had like, babies and slaves walking around no problem. Well, I mean the slaves would be walking, the babies... not so much......
And I doubt Revan and Malak would have been diminished by a DS nexus at that point in their careers. DS nexuses don't even always weaken Jedi, remember. Whie was strengthened on Vjun afterall.
Vitiates TP isn't less effective against darksiders just because they're already dark, lol.
Originally posted by The_Tempest
OOC, has there ever been an instance where Vitiate had mindhacked an established dark sider?
The Nathema ritual?