Vader/Starkiller vs Vitiate

Started by UCanShootMyNova6 pages
Originally posted by The_Tempest
Consider Sidious's mindrape Starkiller.

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Bart hath spoken. 🙂

Best case made by the opposition so far. 👆

Originally posted by UCanShootMyNova
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The book has him hypnotizing/entrancing Starkiller to get him to kill Vader.

Quote? Because I'm pretty sure I know what scene you're referring to and while I agree it was probably a case of Force persuasion on Sidious's part I don't see how that constitutes as a "mindrape."

I'm mobile, but I vividly recall the word trance being used.

The Emperor appeared out of the settling smoke, glee on his face. He raised one hand as though to touch the apprentice. The apprentice felt a wave of hypnotic suggestion flow through him.

Yes! Kill him! He is weak, broken! Kill him and you can take your rightful place at my side!

The apprentice remained frozen, mesmerized by the Emperor's ghastly charisma. Why not? Wasn't this what he had considered on Raxus Prime? If he agreed to that plan, he would be free of one Master and slave to another-but what was to stop him from attacking that Master in turn, one day? He would not make the same mistakes Darth Vader had.

Darth Vader-who had murdered his father, lied to and betrayed him, killed PROXY, branded Juno a traitor, and kidnapped Kota and the others. Didn't he deserve to die a thousand times over?

And power-he had become used to it in the service of his Master. When the dark side sang through him, others danced to his will. That would be hard to give up.

"No!" Kota's voice came as though from a great distance. The apprentice noted, as though viewing the world in slow motion, the Jedi Master telekinetically snatching the Emperor's lightsaber from his waist and, with a surety belying his physical blindness, using it to cut down the Imperial Guards watching the prisoners. Lunging forward, he struck next at the Emperor, who stood, apparently unarmed, with one hand still reaching out for the apprentice.

But the Emperor was never unarmed. Raising his other hand, he blasted Kota with lightning before the blow came close to falling. Sith energy crackled between them and the Jedi Master fell back, caught in the Emperor's deadly grip.

"Help him!"

Bail Organa's voice snapped the apprentice out of his trance.

The basis of Sidious being able to have such a powerful effect on Galen is Galen's own ingrained hatred for Vader and love for Juno and the Rebels.

Starkiller is get mindraped by Vitiate if Sidious could do that to him.

Huh, seems like Marek would have become is mind slave if Kota had not intervened. 🙂

I wonder how Syn rationalizes all his Galen cock sucking when Galen is too perfect for his pathetic mouth.

Originally posted by Ziggystardust
Starkiller is get mindraped by Vitiate if Sidious could do that to him.

Caedus ragdolls Arcann, when Valkorion could do that to him 👆

Exactly Beni, and we know that Kota, and the three non force sensatives rebels - Mon Mothma, Garm Bel Iblis, and Bail Organa where all able to resist Sidious' attemps at extracting information from them. click

Originally posted by Ursumeles
Caedus ragdolls Arcann, when Valkorion could do that to him 👆
Originally posted by Ziggystardust
Exactly

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Caedus TK feats are rather pathetic, lmao.

Originally posted by Deronn_solo
Caedus TK feats are rather pathetic, lmao.

I just laugh at: Sidious can do that->Novel Vitate can do that.

Originally posted by Ziggystardust
Exactly Beni, and we know that Kota, and the three non force sensatives rebels - Mon Mothma, Garm Bel Iblis, and Bail Organa where all able to resist Sidious' attemps at extracting information from them. click

PIS. Makes no sense from a logical standpoint.

Originally posted by Azronger
PIS. Makes no sense from a logical standpoint.

Not at all. It simply means that anyone who's actively trying to resist Sidious' attempts at advanced uses of telepathy - receiving and transmitting thoughts and memories or mind control, will be successful - even if those individuals are non force sensitive, otherwise he would have extracted the information right there and then. And if someone that incompetent can convince Starkiller to kill his master, then Vititate should have no trouble whosoever doing the same.

Originally posted by Ziggystardust
otherwise he would have extracted the information right there and then.
You have proof of this? Seems to me like Sidious wasn't in a particular hurry, and didn't see the need to TP people whom his lackeys could deal with.

Regardless you forget that Luke tried to do this against Palpatine in RotJ, and failed. Much like your argument lol.

And I remember Luke managing just fine to evade a nice mind control attempt from Palaptine. Pretty impressive considering his Jedi training is only a bit ahead of the non force sensitives of that group, and of course, ROTJ comes after The Force Unleashed, so perhaps we can conclude that Palpatine improves from failing to mind control 3 muggles to being able to sort of give a novice like Luke some headaches. None of this is relevant to Galen Marek however, who will just become Vitiate's puppet.