Vader/Starkiller vs Vitiate

Originally posted by Ziggystardust
And I remember Luke managing just fine to evade a nice mind control attempt from Palaptine. Pretty impressive considering his Jedi training is only a bit ahead of the non force sensitives of that group, and of course, ROTJ comes after The Force Unleashed, so perhaps we can conclude that Palpatine improves from failing to mind control 3 muggles to being able to sort of give a novice like Luke some headaches. None of this is relevant to Galen Marek however, who will just become Vitiate's puppet.

Bye then 😮‍💨

Originally posted by Ziggystardust
Not at all. It simply means that anyone who's actively trying to resist Sidious' attempts at advanced uses of telepathy - receiving and transmitting thoughts and memories or mind control, will be successful - even if those individuals are non force sensitive, otherwise he would have extracted the information right there and then. And if someone that incompetent can convince Starkiller to kill his master, then Vititate should have no trouble whosoever doing the same.

A plausible theory (one that I disagree with, though). This would apply to Vitiate, too, though, and I think Theron Shan and a fair number of other non-Force sensitives from Ziost would agree. So if we're going by this theory, Vitiate isn't dominating Starkiller.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
Huh, seems like Marek would have become is mind slave if Kota had not intervened. 🙂

He would have probably given in to the Darkside but it's made pretty clear Galen is being subtly manipulated based off his hatred for Vader and the love he has for Juno and responsibility he feels he owes the Rebels rather then telepathically subdued.

Originally posted by Ziggystardust
Exactly Beni, and we know that Kota, and the three non force sensatives rebels - Mon Mothma, Garm Bel Iblis, and Bail Organa where all able to resist Sidious' attemps at extracting information from them. click

Who said that the Emperor was even attempting to TP them? All Palps was saying, is what would happen.

It seems unlikely he'd feel the need to rip the information from their minds when torturers could do the same. Regardless it's a far more plausible explanation then Sidious being incapable of doing so.

Palpatine forcibly ripped info out of Luke's head in RotJ ---- him being unable to do the same to non-force sensitives is ridiculous.

Vitiate TP's Starkiller, and at a minimum stalls Vader, and then wrecks him

Vitiate doesn't have any feats supporting his ability to do what you're claiming.

Originally posted by Tondemonai
Vitiate TP's Starkiller

The most powerful person he's TP'd is pre-KotOR Revan, and that was on a nexus and explicitly facilitated by Revan's own mental state.

Originally posted by The Ellimist
The most powerful person he's TP'd is pre-KotOR Revan, and that was on a nexus and explicitly facilitated by Revan's own mental state.

Not that he dominated 8,000 Sith more than a millennia before that, we're going to ignore that one 👆

Who were willing?

They were desperate and fearful for their lives and invested their hopes in Vitiate. But it's still impressive.

"When the eight thousand Sith who answered Vitiate's call arrived at his palace, he dominated their minds and bound their wills to his, forcing the Sith to participate in the ritual." From the Revan novel. He told them there would be a ritual, and that they should help him perform it, but they didn't help him by choice. The only part they willingly did was go to his palace, but by no means did they do the ritual willingly.

It's either from the Codex or the Encyclopedia, since the Revan novel only claims that there were a couple hundred Sith Lords, not eight thousand.

Originally posted by Tondemonai
"When the eight thousand Sith who answered Vitiate's call arrived at his palace, he dominated their minds and bound their wills to his, forcing the Sith to participate in the ritual." From the Revan novel. He told them there would be a ritual, and that they should help him perform it, but they didn't help him by choice. The only part they willingly did was go to his palace, but by no means did they do the ritual willingly.

I see almost that exact quote on wookieepedia, which cites the Revan novel. I'm almost sure that Nyriss claims they willingly engaged in the ritual, or at least leaves it unclear.

The Revan novel's take on it is exclusively Nyriss' recounting of history, though, so it's hardly infallible.

Also, "bound their wills to his" sounds like it might've been another ritual.

Originally posted by The Ellimist
I see almost that exact quote on wookieepedia, which cites the Revan novel. I'm almost sure that Nyriss claims they willingly engaged in the ritual, or at least leaves it unclear.

It is from Wookiepedia, since I don't have the novel to check. If someone did, then we'd have our answer.

Originally posted by SunRazer
The Revan novel's take on it is exclusively Nyriss' recounting of history, though, so it's hardly infallible.

Also, "bound their wills to his" sounds like it might've been another ritual.

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It isn't unlikely, given that he had plenty of prep time, but it's purely speculation without concrete evidence.

The SWTOR Encyclopaedia states that they were willing.

"Eight thousand Sith Lords gathered on Medriaas and agreed to partake in a ritual that would bind the Sith together as an ultimate dark side weapon."

Nyriss states that they were forced, but then Nyriss wasn't there.