Strength Ratings

Originally posted by EcstaticGrace
Different in the fact that initial strike. I can give an initial strike being something that's done offguard. So yeah there's a difference between Ocean Master at second attack being a grapple. Compared to Hawkman first grappling Aquaman.

Where is the first strike from Ocean Master?

The Whales created a tsunami that flooded Hawaii. According to you Superboy would of died because of a tsunami something that Black Manta with a suit like you said has the durability to take.

Yes, because Superboy couldn't breath underwater. Not because of strength or durability related issues.

Speaking of Powergirl where's her superior strength feats?

Here is Power Girl stopping a ship the size of a city.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-84Vv2OITh-c/VdfhVFJPpsI/AAAAAAAO06w/_karwPNSeXY/s1600/p2_3_14.jpg
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-ZQbVCO7Af9g/VdfhVvto7tI/AAAAAAAO064/IinKcOkXgN4/s1600/p2_3_16.jpg

That's one of her small scale feats.

That wasn't Superboy according to you though. The real Superboy was getting beat up by Prime.

What? You know those were memories of Superboy, right?

The ghost thing doesn't suggest he didn't take force of his light body landing there's a reason why he felt the impact when his light form crashed.

That didn't happen. He was drawn in the body of his older self. There was no impact and his younger body wasn't taking the fall.

That's why the impact in the scan is even mentioned. If there wasn't no force involved in the fall there'd be no reason of bringing up the impact.

There was no such impact on Earth. He flat out says that he had taken possession of his older body. How does that mean he gets hit on earth?

I know how to read. I just prefer not to read a bunch of excuses and bull. 💃

This is laughable.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Where is the first strike from Ocean Master?

Yes, because Superboy couldn't breath underwater. Not because of strength or durability related issues.

Here is Power Girl stopping a ship the size of a city.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-84Vv2OITh-c/VdfhVFJPpsI/AAAAAAAO06w/_karwPNSeXY/s1600/p2_3_14.jpg
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-ZQbVCO7Af9g/VdfhVvto7tI/AAAAAAAO064/IinKcOkXgN4/s1600/p2_3_16.jpg

That's one of her small scale feats.

What? You know those were memories of Superboy, right?

That didn't happen. He was drawn in the body of his older self. There was no impact and his younger body wasn't taking the fall.

There was no such impact on Earth. He flat out says that he had taken possession of his older body. How does that mean he gets hit on earth?

This is laughable.

I assumed from the scepter but in all honesty that could just be Superman straining to break the cuffs off the whale.
http://m.imgur.com/a/eHhUS

Black Manta can't breathe underwater a tsunami wasn't going to kill him though..

That's impressive what comic is the Powergirl scan from? And why not show her greater lifting strength feats?

And earlier according to you, you ignored those memories to disregard the idea of Hornblower grappling Superboy. In favor of actual Kon getting beat up by Prime.

What you suggest in your own words is "There was no impact" what the comic exactly says is "and then the impact" your not matching what's said in the comic.

On top of that before the impact is brought up its brought up gravity is pulling his light body down. Meaning force is being applied to this body. So logically if force is bringing him down then there's a "impact"
http://m.imgur.com/a/2TdcX

Personally, I never saw the Rock of Ages scene as Aquaman being physically slammed into the Earth.

He's hard light, being drawn down by a force 'like gravity'. He's being attracted towards his body. Then the shock of the impact, where he's being converted back into a physical state.

Not the same as being purely physical, and being slammed into the Earth.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Personally, I never saw the Rock of Ages scene as Aquaman being physically slammed into the Earth.

He's hard light, being drawn down by a force 'like gravity'. He's being attracted towards his body. Then the shock of the impact, where he's being converted back into a physical state.

Not the same as being purely physical, and being slammed into the Earth.

I find it questionable that he fell from the atmosphere for one

Mainly I feel all of it adds up to distance and speed he's falling. Morrison typically wrote showings like that for character where in a way a character would stress the important of the feat and he'd build it up.

First we get a speed there traveling in by Wally earlier which was said to be The Speed of Light Squared.

Then we get the falling from Orbit, more specifically being forcefully pulled down like Gravity. Which is something done from the atmosphere on physical objects. All matter on the planet to my understanding has gravity weighing it down.

And then after being pulled down we get the "Impact"

Regardless of it I atleast hope you can see that comic suggest there was impact from when his light body merged into his flesh.

True - but the force wasn't gravity. Which, as you said, affects physical objects.

It was a force LIKE gravity. Which implies heavily he was NOT physical - otherwise, it would be gravity pulling him.

The comic suggests that - but again, I saw it as being a mental shock - a mental impact. Suddenly he goes from pure light info, to having blood and flesh etc.

Edit: Ultimately, I am not that fussed, lol. But I'm just saying, that's how I have always read it....

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
True - but the force wasn't gravity. Which, as you said, affects physical objects.

It was a force LIKE gravity. Which implies heavily he was NOT physical - otherwise, it would be gravity pulling him.

The comic suggests that - but again, I saw it as being a mental shock - a mental impact. Suddenly he goes from pure light info, to having blood and flesh etc.

Edit: Ultimately, I am not that fussed, lol. But I'm just saying, that's how I have always read it....

That honestly does make alot of sense though, you worded that well.

Originally posted by EcstaticGrace
I assumed from the scepter but in all honesty that could just be Superman straining to break the cuffs off the whale.
http://m.imgur.com/a/eHhUS

So there was no first attack as you said. Good to know.

Black Manta can't breathe underwater a tsunami wasn't going to kill him though..

If the breath is knocked out of him? Yes.

That's impressive what comic is the Powergirl scan from? And why not show her greater lifting strength feats?

Power Girl v2 3. Her greatest feat is shoving back an overgrown Moon back in its orbit together with Superman, Wonder Woman, J'onn and Captain Marvel.

And earlier according to you, you ignored those memories to disregard the idea of Hornblower grappling Superboy. In favor of actual Kon getting beat up by Prime.

I'm not sure where you are going with this. Is Hawkman strangling Aquaman negated with the fact that Superboy threw Herald away after that and Aquaman couldn't?

What you suggest in your own words is "There was no impact" what the comic exactly says is "and then the impact" your not matching what's said in the comic.

He is talking about the "ghost of his body" impacting in the older body. It wasn't literally impacted on Earth. How did he get into his older self's body?

On top of that before the impact is brought up its brought up gravity is pulling his light body down. Meaning force is being applied to this body. So logically if force is bringing him down then there's a "impact"
http://m.imgur.com/a/2TdcX

Yes, to his older self which was where he ended up. He says "I feel a pull like gravity. My light body being drawn to Earth. And then the impact. The pounding of my heart. The weight of muscles and bones."

I've never seen such distortion of a scene.

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Originally posted by abhilegend
So there was no first attack as you said. Good to know.

If the breath is knocked out of him? Yes.

Power Girl v2 3. Her greatest feat is shoving back an overgrown Moon back in its orbit together with Superman, Wonder Woman, J'onn and Captain Marvel.

I'm not sure where you are going with this. Is Hawkman strangling Aquaman negated with the fact that Superboy threw Herald away after that and Aquaman couldn't?

He is talking about the "ghost of his body" impacting in the older body. It wasn't literally impacted on Earth. How did he get into his older self's body?

Yes, to his older self which was where he ended up. He says "I feel a pull like gravity. My light body being drawn to Earth. And then the impact. The pounding of my heart. The weight of muscles and bones."

I've never seen such distortion of a scene.

facepalm

So logically what your suggesting is 2 characters weaker than Aquaman can knock the breath out of Superboy.

That doesn't sound caculatable. Superman has shown moon level strength with Green Lantern alone. I don't agree with the logic in suggesting everyone is pulling the same amount of weight when certain characters have shown to be strong enough to do it almost solely.

It's one panel. I could suggest Aquaman would of got out of the hold with his superior strength showings but it's baseless just as baseless as suggesting Hawkman would of kept him in the hold. We really can't say due to the interruption.

I love how you come in to try to explain a scene we've been arguing to fit in what someone else says that I agree with. What you suggested not to long ago was "Impact" wasn't brought up in the comic so irregardless you were wrong.. and in such a simple manner that all you have to do is read.

Originally posted by EcstaticGrace
That honestly does make alot of sense though, you worded that well.

Whether you're right, or Abhi is right, or I am right, is of no importance.

All that matters is that I word things better than Abhi 👆

Originally posted by EcstaticGrace
So logically what your suggesting is 2 characters weaker than Aquaman can knock the breath out of Superboy.

Yes, if attacked in a tag team.

That doesn't sound caculatable. Superman has shown moon level strength with Green Lantern alone. I don't agree with the logic in suggesting everyone is pulling the same amount of weight when certain characters have shown to be strong enough to do it almost solely.

That's how it was done and if Superman was alone doing all that, there would be no need of others.

It's one panel. I could suggest Aquaman would of got out of the hold with his superior strength showings but it's baseless just as baseless as suggesting Hawkman would of kept him in the hold. We really can't say due to the interruption.

Just like Superman who actually got out of Orm's hold and you think he was struggling.

I love how you come in to try to explain a scene we've been arguing to fit in what someone else says that I agree with. What you suggested not to long ago was "Impact" wasn't brought up in the comic so irregardless you were wrong.. and in such a simple manner that all you have to do is read.

😂

So when you are wrong, you brag about it? There was no impact on ground.

Next misinterpretation please.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Whether you're right, or Abhi is right, or I am right, is of no importance.

All that matters is that I word things better than Abhi 👆

sneer

He suggested there was no impact in a comic that used the exact word impact to describe a merge of forms. So I'm holding on to that going forward, whenever he brings up not reading..

Originally posted by EcstaticGrace
He suggested there was no impact in a comic that used the exact word impact to describe a merge of forms. So I'm holding on to that going forward, whenever he brings up not reading..

You better learn to read.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Yes, if attacked in a tag team.

That's how it was done and if Superman was alone doing all that, there would be no need of others.

Just like Superman who actually got out of Orm's hold and you think he was struggling.

😂

So when you are wrong, you brag about it? There was no impact on ground.

Next misinterpretation please.

No that's not how physical force works at all unless there both hitting the same exact spot at the same time.. which they weren't.

So how much force are you suggesting Power girl lent on moving the moon? Also wheres the scan?

Superman was vividly struggling artistically if you look Ling your grunting and grasping on the item used to choke you while bubbles are coming out of you mouth underwater (which is air being released from his body) then yeah I'd say your struggling. I won't push on it since it was a panel though. Doesn't change the fact KS after being hit by Superman slams him into a mountain right after also showing vivid pain.

I'm not bragging about anything. I interpreted a comic different then someone else. You suggested a word wasn't used that's clearly shown in the comic. Ideas and Art can be interpreted differently, the exact words on a page though? That's questionable to observational skills.

Originally posted by abhilegend
There was no on ground impact as I said.

You better learn to read.

What you originally said was "there was no impact" word for word.

Originally posted by EcstaticGrace
No that's not how physical force works at all unless there both hitting the same exact spot at the same time.. which they weren't.

They hit him at the same time knocking out his breath. Why does that mean he is weaker than Arthur?

So how much force are you suggesting Power girl lent on moving the moon? Also wheres the scan?

More force than lifting a street.

http://i.imgur.com/V976fzo.png

Superman was vividly struggling artistically if you look Ling your grunting and grasping on the item used to choke you while bubbles are coming out of you mouth underwater (which is air being released from his body) then yeah I'd say your struggling.

I think he was struggling to breath as he overpowered Orm quite easily after that. But you dismissed Hawkman choking out Aquaman as Aquaman not struggling so what do I know.

I won't push on it since it was a panel though. Doesn't change the fact KS after being hit by Superman slams him into a mountain right after also showing vivid pain.

Yes, he can slam Superman and make him grunt when he was younger. Later Superman treated him like a joke and twoshotted him in AOS 608. That's struggling too, right?

I'm not bragging about anything. I interpreted a comic different then someone else. You suggested a word wasn't used that's clearly shown in the comic. Ideas and Art can be interpreted differently, the exact words on a page though? That's questionable to observational skills.

This can't be interpreted as Aquaman taking a fall at lightspeed. This is just getting ridiculous.

And I said there was no on ground impact. Learn to read.

Originally posted by EcstaticGrace
What you originally said was "there was no impact" word for word.

No shame in that when all you spout is wrong anyway.

Originally posted by abhilegend
We are having a discussion as per the thread topic?
crylaugh

This is just gold.

I don't know what your definition of discussion is, but it isn't derailing threads just to prove a point.

I'm only leaving it open for now because EG asked me to, but how long depends on you guys.

Originally posted by abhilegend
They hit him at the same time knocking out his breath. Why does that mean he is weaker than Arthur?

More force than lifting a street.

http://i.imgur.com/V976fzo.png

I think he was struggling to breath as he overpowered Orm quite easily after that. But you dismissed Hawkman choking out Aquaman as Aquaman not struggling so what do I know.

Yes, he can slam Superman and make him grunt when he was younger. Later Superman treated him like a joke and twoshotted him in AOS 608. That's struggling too, right?

This can't be interpreted as Aquaman taking a fall at lightspeed. This is just getting ridiculous.

And I said there was no on ground impact. Learn to read.

Thing is he didn't overpower Orm. End of the encounter Orm was still standing fine.or floating in water just fine. Superman can oxygenate his blood to the point where he doesn't have to breathe.

Not what I asked.. what I asked is how much of the force is Powergirl lifting in the moon feat?

When he was younger? Confidential was a grown Superman lol. You'd have to show me the entire instance of AOS unless that's the feat you already showed me of a younger smaller looking KS.

Let's see he started in space, where it suggested he was being pulled down by a force like gravity and then a sudden impact is involved. If you assume that force is gravity then yeah it could be taken as a fall at speeds that he was suggested to be vibrating at to begin with.

Originally posted by EcstaticGrace
Thing is he didn't overpower Orm. End of the encounter Orm was still standing fine.or floating in water just fine. Superman can oxygenate his blood to the point where he doesn't have to breathe.

What? Getting out of a chokehold isn't overpowering someone?

And Superman wasn't there to beat him up. One punch is what it took too.

Not what I asked.. what I asked is how much of the force is Powergirl lifting in the moon feat?

No exact number was given. It's likely more than lifting a street though.

When he was younger? Confidential was a grown Superman lol.

You seriously stop to run your mouth. That was before Superman and Lois were dating and right in Byrne Era. Did you even read the comic?

You'd have to show me the entire instance of AOS unless that's the feat you already showed me of a younger smaller looking KS.

That's entire scene. That comic is in present. Now you're claiming it was a weaker King Shark?

😂

Let's see he started in space, where it suggested he was being pulled down by a force like gravity and then a sudden impact is involved. If you assume that force is gravity then yeah it could be taken as a fall at speeds that he was suggested to be vibrating at to begin with.

It wasn't gravity though. He was drawn to his older body.

Are you seriously suggesting that Aquaman, King Shark or Ocean Master are anywhere near Superman in strength? We can create another thread to discuss that if you're so eager.

Why don't you compare them to Superboy as per thread topic? Or Wonder Woman?