Originally posted by EcstaticGrace
It was present day Atlantis..
Perhaps you should read the story. For the first time. Gamnanae had lifted the Atlantis and hid it for 3000 years.
Atlantis didn't sink until Aquaman sunk it. Reason why it was on land and not in the sea. Atlantis was sent back in time but the Atlantis shown their was Present Day Atlantis. There was no magical boost from it shown.
You sure know how to distort a comic. Nearly everything is distorted from you.
The force of the water being hydrokinetically capable of keeping Superman and Wonder Woman back obviously... His scepter gives him the ability to magically control the ocean hence Ocean Master.
And how does it factor into his strength?
Lol at Superman making Orm stronger with his strength.. that's why his Heat vision boiled the water right? It was water reason it was boiled and reason Superman called it water.. the lengths you go to are outstanding though..
Are you having a seizure? What are you talking about now?
So you finally give an answer and 1/10th it is? Where in the comic did it suggest Power Girl was lifting 1/10th of the moon may I ask.
It was a lower estimate. So Power Girl was doing nothing at all?
I could show you were water is being suggested to holding back Superman and Wonder Woman. Show me where 1/10th of the moon is being suggested as moved by Power Girl..
Water is suggested to hold back Superman and Wonder Woman by Orm's strength?
This is just getting ridiculous.
And it was suggested to keep everyone equal pressure or otherwise the moon would destabilize in other direction.
You've been dismissing feats left in right so it's about time you take the city street feat.
Right along with you. You dismissed everything from Superboy overpowering Aquaman in a direct fight.
Honestly what are you talking about Aquaman wasn't in the blast he was right in it his arm is shown in comparison to the rest of his body through the blast. And he was flown right through it when Zauriel went to go rescue him..
But he was never shown to get attacked by the blast. So he never was.
Originally posted by EcstaticGrace
I already suggested where I'd place AC at the start of the thread. You must of dismissed it though using your preference like you have been.
Originally posted by EcstaticGrace
Like Wonder Woman struggling with Batman several times? Or Deathstroke?
Originally posted by abhilegend
Perhaps you should read the story. For the first time. Gamnanae had lifted the Atlantis and hid it for 3000 years.You sure know how to distort a comic. Nearly everything is distorted from you.
And how does it factor into his strength?
Are you having a seizure? What are you talking about now?
It was a lower estimate. So Power Girl was doing nothing at all?
Water is suggested to hold back Superman and Wonder Woman by Orm's strength?
This is just getting ridiculous.
And it was suggested to keep everyone equal pressure or otherwise the moon would destabilize in other direction.
Right along with you. You dismissed everything from Superboy overpowering Aquaman in a direct fight.
But he was never shown to get attacked by the blast. So he never was.
I have school and work so my replies will tank longer to get back and be quick to the point.
I never suggested Gamnanae didn't lift Atlantis. By present Day. I meant the action of Atlantis in the past were shown in the Present Day Era at the location they were at.
I really haven't distorted anything I misinterpreted one showing I'll admit cause I'm not to stubborn to dismiss when I make a mistake. A quality that would be nice if it went around..
She was doing what her greatest personal feat suggest she's capable of doing is my opinion on the matter. I wouldn't put it above that in all honesty cause there's nothing to support that.
I never suggested Water was Orm's strength is was more in mention to Superman and Wonder Woman struggling when fighting Orm. Who is an Aquaman main rouge. I went back to reread Obsidian Age and nowhere did it confirm any magical boost by the way. If anything Magic might of been hindered do to other sources. Given Tempest who defeated Orm struggled to cast a spell with some of DC's best mages.
Stuff like that would honestly be key but you haven't provided it? Where in the scan was it suggested that everyone apply equal pressure to the moon?
I haven't dismissed anything I questioned it and your interpretation of it. I didn't suggest Superboy didn't overpower Aquaman in the first encounter. All I said was Aquaman was holding back which was said twice by two different characters.
Arthur had scorch marks from the blast. This is irony at the term dismissive..
Originally posted by abhilegend
I want numbers and reasoning why Aquaman is stronger than Superboy or Power Girl.
Nope.
Superboy - 90, King Shark fights, the fact Arthur and Kon both said Arthur was holding back.
Power Girl - 95, Fight comparison against Tiamat, Greater personal lifting feats.
Might change my mind if there's actual scan proof Kon or Karen got an amp later on. With Karen's origin change or Kon just aging.
Originally posted by EcstaticGrace
I have school and work so my replies will tank longer to get back and be quick to the point.
Should I care?
I never suggested Gamnanae didn't lift Atlantis. By present Day. I meant the action of Atlantis in the past were shown in the Present Day Era at the location they were at.
And what does that has to do with anything? The Atlantis Ocean Master fought had abundance of magic and that amped him.
I really haven't distorted anything I misinterpreted one showing I'll admit cause I'm not to stubborn to dismiss when I make a mistake. A quality that would be nice if it went around..
Yeah, right.
She was doing what her greatest personal feat suggest she's capable of doing is my opinion on the matter. I wouldn't put it above that in all honesty cause there's nothing to support that.
Haha, yeah right. Pushing a moon is not above lifting a street.
Good one.
I never suggested Water was Orm's strength is was more in mention to Superman and Wonder Woman struggling when fighting Orm. Who is an Aquaman main rouge.
That has nothing to do with the topic. Superman can struggle to paste pot pete due to magic and it makes little sense to include that in strength related topic.
I went back to reread Obsidian Age and nowhere did it confirm any magical boost by the way. If anything Magic might of been hindered do to other sources. Given Tempest who defeated Orm struggled to cast a spell with some of DC's best mages.
Garth struggled because it was old magic and Gamenanae had set up a trap to send JLA back in time.
Stuff like that would honestly be key but you haven't provided it? Where in the scan was it suggested that everyone apply equal pressure to the moon?
Its common sense as you are not having it. They are pushing the moon back in orbit. If there was uneven pressure from one side, it would generate a torque and push the moon out of orbit.
I haven't dismissed anything I questioned it and your interpretation of it. I didn't suggest Superboy didn't overpower Aquaman in the first encounter. All I said was Aquaman was holding back which was said twice by two different characters.
Aquaman never held back in strength. He held back when he didn't drown Superboy.
Arthur had scorch marks from the blast. This is irony at the term dismissive..
He didn't receive anything from that blast. Nowhere was it mentioned.
Originally posted by EcstaticGrace
Superboy - 90, King Shark fights, the fact Arthur and Kon both said Arthur was holding back.
King Shark dominated Aquaman in strength as well.
He didn't hold back his strength.
Power Girl - 95, Fight comparison against Tiamat, Greater personal lifting feats.
Aquaman didn't fight Tiamat physically. He doesn't has any lifting feat better than lifting a city sized ship.
Might change my mind if there's actual scan proof Kon or Karen got an amp later on. With Karen's origin change or Kon just aging.
Diana took down Deathstroke casually when she wanted. Orm just got his shit kicked in by Connor Hawke.
Re: Strength Ratings
Originally posted by abhilegend
If Pre Flashpoint Aquaman is 100 in strength, rate these characters in strength.1. Thing
2. Colossus
3. Superboy
4. Power Girl (Kryptonian)
5. Wonder Woman
ben--100
petey--100
superboy (connor? as portrayed in the titans i assume?)--150
PG--180
ww--190
these are tough. the first 3 are all pretty close for the most part, imo. i'm going off a more general portrayal of arthur. he has feats that could place him closer to the girls, (yeah yeah, sub diego might indicate he's stronger than ben and pete, but again, GENERAL portrayals here....) but in general i think they are both depicted considerably stronger than he is.
