TBH, PC Darkseid has the most powerful TP on the field, created a being more powerful than team Marvel (PC Validus), SMP has total magic immunity (source of Trion's powers), can punch through dimensions like a hot knife through butter, and has survived universal destruction. Wally can remove Jugg's helmet easily enough or speed steal/Speed Force dump.
Originally posted by Cogito
TBH, PC Darkseid has the most powerful TP on the field, created a being more powerful than team Marvel (PC Validus), SMP has total magic immunity (source of Trion's powers), can punch through dimensions like a hot knife through butter, and has survived universal destruction. Wally can remove Jugg's helmet easily enough or speed steal/Speed Force dump.
PC darkseid was amped in the instances where he showed powerful TP.
Oh, and magic immunity means what? Trion juggernaut doesn't do "magic punch", he does universe-collapsing punches, and SMP isn't immune to magic either, black adam's magic was enough to "tickle" him.
Oh, and Wally isn't speed stealing the unstoppable, speedforce dumping someone who can one-shot dimension and universal barriers like tissue paper and can't be hurt.
Not to mention that I haven't even touched THanos here. Forget about OFT.
Originally posted by apex_pretador
PC darkseid was amped in the instances where he showed powerful TP.
No, he wasn't.
Oh, and magic immunity means what? Trion juggernaut doesn't do "magic punch", he does universe-collapsing punches, and SMP isn't immune to magic either, black adam's magic was enough to "tickle" him.
Trion Juggernaut wasn't collapsing universes. He punched through a dimension. Normal SBP punched through Phantom Zone.
Mordru amped on entire universe's magic couldn't hurt SBP.
Oh, and Wally isn't speed stealing the unstoppable, speedforce dumping someone who can one-shot dimension and universal barriers like tissue paper and can't be hurt.
He did the same to SBP who did all that.
Not to mention that I haven't even touched THanos here. Forget about OFT.
Darkseid will solo here. As will SMP.
Originally posted by apex_pretador
PC darkseid was amped in the instances where he showed powerful TP.
Originally posted by apex_pretadorWhat do you think he's punching through dimensions with? He received a magical amp that brought him to that level. As Abhi said, Mordru (a Lord of Chaos, of course) further amped on the magic of an entire universe did nada to regular SBP. In the most inconsistent with continuity and within itself issue ever, SMP was immune to Mxy's magic. F***ing Mxy.
Oh, and magic immunity means what? Trion juggernaut doesn't do "magic punch", he does universe-collapsing punches, and SMP isn't immune to magic either, black adam's magic was enough to "tickle" him.
Originally posted by apex_pretador
Oh, and Wally isn't speed stealing the unstoppable, speedforce dumping someone who can one-shot dimension and universal barriers like tissue paper and can't be hurt.
Originally posted by apex_pretadorThat's fine, because both are irrelevant.
Not to mention that I haven't even touched THanos here. Forget about OFT.
Pre-Crisis Darkseid would still have a difficult time with Thanos, whom was capable of forcing Galactus to exert some effort just to break through his force fields; that and Odin had some difficulty putting him down -mind you, he was trying to get him to surrender and he was fighting the Silver Surfer at the same time.
Superman Prime & Trion Juggernaut's feats place them into the same category, however; Trion Juggernaut cannot die. Prime can't really BFR Juggy as far as I'm aware. Jugs should deal with him after a prolonged battle.
Wally West doesn't have the punching power to put Thor down.
Team Marvel for me.