Team DC vs Team Marvel

Started by apex_pretador5 pages

Originally posted by Faceless808
No limit fallacy anyone? SMP can't hurt jugs, Darkseid can't hurt jugs. Wally can't speed steal. why? because he's unstoppable!!

Are you aware SMP can punch through dimensions, too? Darkseid can teleport, too? Wally has an IMP, capable of hurting Superman? Oh, I forgot, blood lusted, so they forget all of their abilities and skill and fight like idiots.

Regular juggernaut has been unhurt by things which would obliterate superman. 8th Day juggernaut is many times more powerful, and trion juggernaut is in whole different league.

Trion juggernaut can punch through universal barriers, let alone dimensions.

Unstoppability is Jugg's power, how will wally spead steal him? He is not above cyttorak.

Hurting superman is irrelevant in this battle. Every other person in this battle can pop superman like a balloon.

Yeah, darkseid can teleport, but my point was for everyone who was saying "TJ gets bfr'd", that Thanos can teleport him out of wherever he is. Thanos can teleport between different realities and dimensions, and do the same to others too. Can darkseid teleport SMP out of another universe?

There should be a rule against scan dumping...sheesh

Originally posted by apex_pretador
Juggernaut's powers being magic based is irrelevant. He is not a sorecer, he won't attack SMP with magic. He is going to punch the life out of him.
On the other hand, SMP can't hurt Juggy. Darkseid can't hurt Juggy. Wally can absolutely not hurt him.
Juggernaut is unstoppable, flash can't speed-steal him.
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Oh, and BFR? Trion J can come back out of any dimension he is trapped, by punching his way out, so there goes BFR. Not to mention that Thanos can teleport him.
TP? I'm not well aware of PC darkseid's TP feats but Thanos is a top level telepath whi makes planetary telepaths look like chumps. He can stop TP attacks. Not to mention that this verison of juggernaut is difficult to TP.

Infact THanos can BFR them allto an alternate dimension.

Superboy Prime PUNCHES through Trion Juggernaut as the magic based protection is USELESS against him. It's that simple.

You have a scan on this very page that shows what happens once Cains' magical protective aura is negated.

A KIND, Wally, reacts before anyone on Team Marvel reacts. When you add murderous intent he simply strips them of all inertia and murders them.

The scans support every aspect of my argument.

Originally posted by t0sh
Flash doesn't appear to be blood lusted in the scan above because it contradicts what 'blood lusted,' even means, but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt. Anyways, this is counter-able.

He was so pissed off, he thought death was too good - and he wanted to torture a kid for all eternity. That seems...pretty bloodlusted. Whether it was psychological blood, or physical blood, is moot.


The scan above shows that his speed is gone, but his mind is still completely functional. Therefore Thor can surround himself in lightning, and one shot of this would incapacitate Flash.

The scan also shows it takes a speedster a 'hundred years' to even blink. Thor can command Mjolnir, summon lightning etc whilst immobilised? Where? None of your scans show this. It shows Thor screaming (which, if a speedsters' eyeblink takes a hundred years, will take Thor millenia, lol) and Iron Man immobilised.


One The Flash realizes that stealing his speed won't be an option, Thor will have the opportunity to counter-attack. One solution to decimating Flash would be to cover the entire world in a storm, giving the Flash nowhere to hide:

Once Flash realises....you do realise, Flash thinks and reacts at attosecond levels, right? If option A does not work, he can do B, then C, then D etc etc before Thor can even react. And Flash would just vibrate through energy attacks, anyway.


Thor has the capability to cover the entire planet in lightning, giving Flash nowhere to run. This form of attack would probably one shot the flash. Additionally, Mjolnir gives Thor the ability to cut off Flash's access to the Speed Force and/or absorb any sort of energy and redirect it back towards the Flash. Without Flash's access to the speed force, he loses rather quickly. To support these analogies, I'll include some scans to prove that Thor will last long enough to pull off one of these attacks.

Durability:


Moot, as he would be frozen in place. This isn't even a immobilisation like being locked in place - it is literally nothing that Thor has ever encountered before.


Counter to Mind Tampering:

Thor can resist any mind tampering that the Flash tries to do to him. Here he even resists the Mind Gem, which would be a more effective attack than anything that the Flash can dish out.


OK. Flash ain't mindraping him. I will admit this?
Counter to Phasing:


Thor survives Shadowcat's phasing ability which bonds him physically with the ground itself


Counter to speed stealing:

Thor can create swirling force fields that can negate Flash's access to the Speed Force. He managed to cut off Juggernauts influence from Cytorrak, something significantly more powerful than the Speed Force.
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Lol. SpeedForce >>> Cytorrak. The SF is multiversal (as in, it permeates EVERY single universe in DC. Cytorrak, outside of his own realm, is certainly not that). Also, Flash's speedsteal is faster than Thor spinning his hammer up, whilst screaming. He's done it to Amazo, who himself had Flash's speed (stacked on top of WW's fighting reflexes, Batman's tactical mind and Canary's skills, and Superman's speed, lol):
http://static1.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/8/81954/1561270-1530340_flashvsamazo3_super.jpg

[quote][b]
These force fields that Thor can create are so powerful that they can negate attacks that are strong enough to destroy one fifth of the Universe. Therefore, IMP attacks are hereby rendered useless.


IF he gets to put these amazing fields up, lol. Wolverine says hi:
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/7/72524/1630793-thor_vs_wolverine_2.jpg

Damn, why am I using low-balling showings? ONLY because for some reason, you're using Deathstroke vs Flash as proof. Which is not allowed. But it shows in straight combat, a street level guy like Wolverine can comfortabl outspeed him. Flash, who runs rings around other speedsters? Lol.


Since Flash is blood lusted, he wouldn't try and steal Thor's speed. He would engage Thor in combat. But the problem is that The Flash is predictable, and Thor would catch on to this eventually and counter him:

Yah - if we can use DS, then we can use Wolverine, lol. And Flash has COMFORTABLY more showings of outspeeding beings way faster than DS, than Thor has of outspeeding beings faster than Wolvy, lol.


These are all classic Thor feats, in no way whatsoever, can the Flash hit harder than the Destroyer, Odin, Surtur or a friggen Celestial.

Ask the Anti-Monitor. You know, the guy who was destroying the DC multiverse?

Here, Wally lends speed to all his team mates. So, yeah, now Darkseid and SMP are all speed boosted:

http://i.imgur.com/qUzRzJE.jpg

And then, he punches the phuck outta the very same AM:
http://i.imgur.com/5xALU0p.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/58sMILE.jpg

At speeds so high, no one else can even see what's happening.


Thor is capable of throwing his hammer and having it trail the flash. So as the Flash is busy pummeling away on Thor, whose no selling his attacks, Mjolnir would connect and one shot the Flash:

He wouldn't even perceive who his target it, let alone register that he needs to throw it, or take a step, or, well, do anything, really.

The Flash's body has been shown to be affected by temperatures or lightning:

The Flash also heals at lightspeed. And has dodged lightning multiple times (as you have shown, one of his prime adversaries uses lightning).


If Thor decides to use Mjolnir to attack Wally West, or if he decides to summon lightning himself, he could target Wally and cripple him, making it impossible for him to run away. Furthermore, Thor's feats above, particularly the one where Thor covers the world in lightning, shows that this would be an effective tactic, since the Flash would have nowhere to run and would eventually become crippled.
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He can phase THROUGH energy attacks like lightning. And becoming crippled? This is Wally when he first started:

[b]Mjolnir has such a wide array of abilities that Thor can use it to affect the ground below him, which would affect the Flash and give Thor the opportune moment that he needs to single shot him:

A moment is like a lifetime to the Flash. For Thor to have a chance, would require extreme amounts of PIS.


Because these two are blood lusted, it will likely become a physical battle, which means that Thor will no sell his attacks until he decides to unleash Mjolnir and/or use his weather abilities to cover the planet in lightning and/or affect the Flash, momentarily incapacitating him... but... that's all he needs.

Thor is not bloodlusted.

Originally posted by apex_pretador
Regular juggernaut has been unhurt by things which would obliterate superman. 8th Day juggernaut is many times more powerful, and trion juggernaut is in whole different league.

Trion juggernaut can punch through universal barriers, let alone dimensions.

Unstoppability is Jugg's power, how will wally spead steal him? He is not above cyttorak.

Hurting superman is irrelevant in this battle. Every other person in this battle can pop superman like a balloon.

Yeah, darkseid can teleport, but my point was for everyone who was saying "TJ gets bfr'd", that Thanos can teleport him out of wherever he is. Thanos can teleport between different realities and dimensions, and do the same to others too. Can darkseid teleport SMP out of another universe?

SMP can simply punch his way back. He did it when going through alt. Earths. He did it when getting out the SF. He punched his way through the Phantom Zone. He too can punch through dimensions, lol.

You guys do realise Darkseid doesn't just BFR through space,right? He can also do it through time. Juggy will never get the gem of Cyttorak, for example. He can alter the past.

Originally posted by t0sh

Note i am not saying Pre Crisis Darkseid couldnt beat Superman but rather Pre Crisis Darkseid has never fought Superman. He has fought Mon-El, Superboy and Supergirl among Kryptonians, in a story that takes place 1000 years in the future, where he was holly amped with Legion's Orb, Excalibur sword, power stolen from Mordru, Time Trapper (later revealed to be fake and Controller pretending to be Time trapper), and a planet full of mystics along with other un-named artifacts.

And he was still not at full power as he was weakened by his own admission.

Because of this, it's illogical that he would possess enough strength on his own to overcome Thanos, whose been shown to be capable of tangling with the likes of Odin and Galactus.

Darkseid while weakened oneshotted Mon-el in coma. Do let me know when either Galactus or Odin can do that to an above herald level being.

And Darkseid was compared to Infinite Man and Time Trapper in power. That's beyond Odin and Galactus combined.

Originally posted by t0sh

The Omega Beams haven't been able to "Erase" people since the Pre-Crisis days.

Really?

Darkseid erases several Apokolips warriors as well as Granny Goodness

1. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/Mister_Miracle_Specialv1_001Imbie22.jpg
2. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/Mister_Miracle_Specialv1_001Imbie38.jpg

Or he could just use it to send Juggernaut in the past or future.

It's little better than a powerful laser and something that can be blocked, dodged, and countered. Juggernaut is invulnerable to harm. Not only does he have ludicrous durability, but he can even put up a magical force-field around himself to augment his durability. He's taken shots from people higher on the power scale than 'seid and not been slowed down.

It matters little when the trion version of Juggernaut was beaten by Cain Marko in his own mind.

Also Trion were not controlling Juggernaut, it was a second ruby which was doing it.

Even at the possibility of his durability being breached, no level of injury will actually kill him. At least as long as he's the only Juggernaut. Even aged a hundred or more years and he didn't stop or slow down. Even when reduced to nothing more than a skeleton by a magical being stronger than Doc Strange, it didn't stop him. Cain Marko, the Juggernaut, just kept coming.

Funny thing, in the same story the second ruby almost killed him by draining his powers. Guess who is very adapt at draining magical power like Mordru's?

Originally posted by apex_pretador
Regular juggernaut has been unhurt by things which would obliterate superman. 8th Day juggernaut is many times more powerful, and trion juggernaut is in whole different league.

Trion juggernaut can punch through universal barriers, let alone dimensions.

Superman has taken attacks that would kill Juggernaut too as well.

Unstoppability is Jugg's power, how will wally spead steal him? He is not above cyttorak.[/uote]

The same way so many have drained him of power.

[quote]Hurting superman is irrelevant in this battle. Every other person in this battle can pop superman like a balloon.

Haha, right.

Yeah, darkseid can teleport, but my point was for everyone who was saying "TJ gets bfr'd", that Thanos can teleport him out of wherever he is. Thanos can teleport between different realities and dimensions, and do the same to others too. Can darkseid teleport SMP out of another universe?

Yes. Not that he needs to as SMP will just punch his way out. What if Darkseid teleports the entire team into past or future?

Originally posted by apex_pretador
Juggernaut's powers being magic based is irrelevant. He is not a sorecer, he won't attack SMP with magic. He is going to punch the life out of him.
On the other hand, SMP can't hurt Juggy. Darkseid can't hurt Juggy. Wally can absolutely not hurt him.
Juggernaut is unstoppable, flash can't speed-steal him.
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Oh, and BFR? Trion J can come back out of any dimension he is trapped, by punching his way out, so there goes BFR. Not to mention that Thanos can teleport him.
TP? I'm not well aware of PC darkseid's TP feats but Thanos is a top level telepath whi makes planetary telepaths look like chumps. He can stop TP attacks. Not to mention that this verison of juggernaut is difficult to TP.

Infact THanos can BFR them allto an alternate dimension.


facepalm

Anyway Darkseid teleports all of them into past.

Young Justice #54
Here a clone of Lobo tries to bulrush Darkseid…big mistake.

1. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/YJ-054-04.jpg
2. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/YJ-054-05.jpg
3. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/YJ-054-06.jpg

Or traps them in alternate realities which he can create.


1. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/SevenSoldiers_MisterMiracle03_13.jpg
2. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/SevenSoldiers_MisterMiracle03_14.jpg
3. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/SevenSoldiers_MisterMiracle03_15.jpg
4. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/SevenSoldiers_MisterMiracle03_16.jpg
5. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/SevenSoldiers_MisterMiracle03_17.jpg
6. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/SevenSoldiers_MisterMiracle04_12.jpg
7. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/SevenSoldiers_MisterMiracle04_13.jpg
8. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/SevenSoldiers_MisterMiracle04_14.jpg
9. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/SevenSoldiers_MisterMiracle04_15.jpg
10. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/SevenSoldiers_MisterMiracle04_16.jpg
11. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/SevenSoldiers_MisterMiracle04_17.jpg
Originally posted by t0sh
Being blood lusted means that the characters are out for blood, nothing more.

And that's what I'm saying, yet you nerf Wally by saying he wouldn't do this or he wouldn't do that. You say it's out of character, but being blood lusted is out of character to begin with.

Originally posted by apex_pretador
Regular juggernaut has been unhurt by things which would obliterate superman. 8th Day juggernaut is many times more powerful, and trion juggernaut is in whole different league.

Trion juggernaut can punch through universal barriers, let alone dimensions.

Unstoppability is Jugg's power, how will wally spead steal him? He is not above cyttorak.

Hurting superman is irrelevant in this battle. Every other person in this battle can pop superman like a balloon.

Yeah, darkseid can teleport, but my point was for everyone who was saying "TJ gets bfr'd", that Thanos can teleport him out of wherever he is. Thanos can teleport between different realities and dimensions, and do the same to others too. Can darkseid teleport SMP out of another universe?

All I see is opinion. And yes, Darkseid can teleport out of another universe.

Omega Beams and pure Speedforce.

Speed steal by Wally, then team DC has 2 options against the now immobile team Marvel.
Send them to the past by DS, or clobber them to death with dimension-shattering punches from Superman Prime Guardian amped

Originally posted by t0sh
1) Flash is blood lusted. He would be seeking blood, not their speed.

b) SBP cannot put down Trion Juggernaut.

c) Doubtful. Thanos has Universal level durability. Something Darkseid has no answer against.


Thanos has universal level durability? That's why he ran from a supernova?

And two colliding planets which almost killed Galactus BTW.

He was disintegrated by a solar system destroying attack.

Omega, who defeated Thanos casually and was twice as powerful as Galactus was killed by a planet exploding.

Not even Galactus has universal level durability. Much less Thanos.

😬

Didn't See TRION Juggernaut in this battle. Didn't pay attention to it. Team 1 wins.

Only person here with universal level durability in this thread is Prime. Team 2 wins

Wait what? This forum is really hateful to marvel characters? Galactus disintegrated from Solar system attack? I know you are troll, but atleast troll harder, galactus wasn't even scratched.

And Planet colliding thing had context.

And Thanos is weird, he does whatever he wants. Not to mention that he had pip the troll and Warlock with him and his ship might have beed destroed. Thanos tanks black holes bigger than supernovas with scratches.

Bad trolling.

Also, meh, enjoy trolling. New 52 Superman solos team marvel, happy?

Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
Explain how team Marvel wins.

Why?

You arent open to changing your mind.
I just read this entire thread and its the equivalent of people talking over each other smashing their shoes on a table.
As usual.

You, the thread starter and the regular cast of characters are simply indulging in the circular arguments that seem to satisfy some narcissistic need.
But i digress.

If i'd ever seen you change your mind in a debate, i might give you actual credence, but i havent so i dont.
I am NOT a master debater. My knowledge isnt encyclopedic, and i dont have folders of scans at the ready.
What i do have is respect for comics, and characters' abilities, and a willingness to give them the win if i feel they deserve it, despite my personal bias.
The opposite of you.
You're fun to banter with (in small doses), but not someone i'd ever spend time engaging in conversation on topics like this.
Thats why this is only my 5th and last post in 4 pages.

Originally posted by riv6672
Why?

You arent open to changing your mind.
I just read this entire thread and its the equivalent of people talking over each other smashing their shoes on a table.
As usual.

You, the thread starter and the regular cast of characters are simply indulging in the circular arguments that seem to satisfy some narcissistic need.
But i digress.

If i'd ever seen you change your mind in a debate, i might give you actual credence, but i havent so i dont.
I am NOT a master debater. My knowledge isnt encyclopedic, and i dont have folders of scans at the ready.
What i do have is respect for comics, and characters' abilities, and a willingness to give them the win if i feel they deserve it, despite my personal bias.
The opposite of you.
You're fun to banter with (in small doses), but not someone i'd ever spend time engaging in conversation on topics like this.
Thats why this is only my 5th and last post in 4 pages.

You're not BUILT for these wars, boy!!!!

Originally posted by apex_pretador
Wait what? This forum is really hateful to marvel characters? Galactus disintegrated from Solar system attack? I know you are troll, but atleast troll harder, galactus wasn't even scratched.

Seriously?

Flat out said that he was disintegrated.

And Planet colliding thing had context.

What context would that be?

And Thanos is weird, he does whatever he wants. Not to mention that he had pip the troll and Warlock with him and his ship might have beed destroed. Thanos tanks black holes bigger than supernovas with scratches.

That's some excuse of I ever saw one.

Good, he is almost Sodam Yat level who only had his ring. He also survived a black hole the effect of which were two lightyears. Just like Thanos.

Bad trolling.

Also, meh, enjoy trolling. New 52 Superman solos team marvel, happy?

Don't cry just yet.

Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
[B]YOU ARE LOWLY, SCUM, UNWORTHY TO EVEN ADDRESS ME!!!

KNOW YOUR PLACE!!!!! [/B]

You hold no sway, Kryptonian filth cake. Marvel wins this.