Originally posted by riv6672
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Explain how team Marvel wins.
1)Speed- Flash literally steals the speed from the Marvel combatants,
2)SBP- A murderous PC level Superman whom is immune to magic thus nullifying Cain's power.
3) Darkseid- This version of Darkseid dismantles Thanos and anyone else on Team Marvel with ease.
Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
Explain how team Marvel wins.1)Speed- Flash literally steals the speed from the Marvel combatants,
2)SBP- A murderous PC level Superman whom is immune to magic thus nullifying Cain's power.
3) Darkseid- This version of Darkseid dismantles Thanos and anyone else on Team Marvel with ease.
b) SBP cannot put down Trion Juggernaut.
c) Doubtful. Thanos has Universal level durability. Something Darkseid has no answer against.
Originally posted by t0sh
1) Flash is blood lusted. He would be seeking blood, not their speed.b) SBP cannot put down Trion Juggernaut.
c) Doubtful. Thanos has Universal level durability. Something Darkseid has no answer against.
1. Flash rendering them motionless through speed stealing would make them easier to kill. Flash isn't, The Odinson, his intellect doesn't diminish as his anger increases.
2}SBP has taken on Legions OF the Legion of Superheroes. Trion Juggernaut's power is magic based. SBP is immune to magic, Cain's power is completely nullified.
3)PC Darkseid breaks ANY unenhanced version of The Emo Eggplant. The canon says so.
Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
1. Flash rendering them motionless through speed stealing would make them easier to kill. Flash isn't, The Odinson, his intellect doesn't diminish as his anger increases.2}SBP has taken on Legions OF the Legion of Superheroes. Trion Juggernaut's power is magic based. SBP is immune to magic, Cain's power is completely nullified.
3)PC Darkseid breaks ANY unenhanced version of The Emo Eggplant. The canon says so.
If these characters weren't blood lusted, you might have a good argument, but that's not the case. Even so, it's out of character for Flash to do that right off the bat, so it's an irrelevant argument anyways.
2) Trion Juggernauts power will not effect Superman Prime directly. It will only keep him in the battle. If it isn't directly affecting Prime, his immunity to magic is also irrelevant.
3) There is little proof even in Pre Crisis to suggest Darkseid could win over Justice League, the closest fight he has had would be against Infinity Man (which he won) and against Firestorm (which didnt go so well for him).
Darkseid has never fought Superman in Pre Crisis chronology just as well, the closest is him beating Mon El, fighting Superboy and Supergirl together (where Superboy ends up getting BFRed through time), all of which was done in 1 story arc where he was amped.
Meanwhile Thanos has went up against the likes of Galactus & Odin.
Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
1. Flash rendering them motionless through speed stealing would make them easier to kill. Flash isn't, The Odinson, his intellect doesn't diminish as his anger increases.2}SBP has taken on Legions OF the Legion of Superheroes. Trion Juggernaut's power is magic based. SBP is immune to magic, Cain's power is completely nullified.
3)PC Darkseid breaks ANY unenhanced version of The Emo Eggplant. The canon says so.
Speed steal should do it. Nothing the other team can do to prevent that
Originally posted by t0sh
1) Flash is blood lusted. It's out of character for someone whose blood lusted to steal their speed. He's seeking blood.If these characters weren't blood lusted, you might have a good argument, but that's not the case. Even so, it's out of character for Flash to do that right off the bat, so it's an irrelevant argument anyways.
2) Trion Juggernauts power will not effect Superman Prime directly. It will only keep him in the battle. If it isn't directly affecting Prime, his immunity to magic is also irrelevant.
3) There is little proof even in Pre Crisis to suggest Darkseid could win over Justice League, the closest fight he has had would be against Infinity Man (which he won) and against Firestorm (which didnt go so well for him).
Darkseid has never fought Superman in Pre Crisis chronology just as well, the closest is him beating Mon El, fighting Superboy and Supergirl together (where Superboy ends up getting BFRed through time), all of which was done in 1 story arc where he was amped.
Meanwhile Thanos has went up against the likes of Galactus & Odin.
You have to intentionally diminish Flash's mentality to make your case.
AGAIN, there is NOTHING in Flash's canon that indicates a diminishment in intellect and/or temperament that would cause him not to use that tactic. In addition, KMC rules allow for full capacity.
SBP's immunity to magic is HIGHLY RELEVANT against a character whose sole basis of power is MAGIC derived. Cain has absolutely no shot against Murderer Prime.
How much PC Darkseid have you read?
Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
You have to intentionally diminish Flash's mentality to make your case.AGAIN, there is NOTHING in Flash's canon that indicates a diminishment in intellect and/or temperament that would cause him not to use that tactic. In addition, KMC rules allow for full capacity.
SBP's immunity to magic is HIGHLY RELEVANT against a character whose sole basis of power is MAGIC derived. Cain has absolutely no shot against Murderer Prime.
How much PC Darkseid have you read?
blood·lust
ˈblədˌləst/
noun
noun: bloodlust; noun: blood-lust
uncontrollable desire to kill or maim others.
Stealing their speed contradicts the very definition of the principal.
2) If it doesn't effect Prime directly, there is no reason his immunity would matter.
Originally posted by Zack M
There is no logic in stealing speed. He can do it.
This is where you are missing stuff, Juggernaut cannot be harmed by physical means, does not matter how powerful superman is he cannot hurt juggernaut. That has always been Juggernaut's power complete immunity to physical force as long as he has enough supply of energy from Cyttorak.
Since Cyttorak is affecting Juggernaut only and not Superman Prime, he has no way to get around it.
Still doesnt show how he can harm juggy. There are only 2 ways of harming juggernaut: mindrape (which superman cannot) BFR (which superman can to normal juggernaut, i dont think he can to a 60 foot giant juggernaut)
Originally posted by Cogito
So you're deliberately handicapping one combatant to the point of arguable uselessness. That's cool 😐SBP and PC Darkseid are still enough to win.
Superman Prime still has no way of putting down Trion Juggernaut indefinitely.
Pre-Crisis Darkseid is less durable than Thanos, whose shields are strong enough to deflect anything that Darkseid can throw at him.
And Darkseid lost to Supes the next time they fought in the same series.
Note i am not saying Pre Crisis Darkseid couldnt beat Superman but rather Pre Crisis Darkseid has never fought Superman. He has fought Mon-El, Superboy and Supergirl among Kryptonians, in a story that takes place 1000 years in the future, where he was holly amped with Legion's Orb, Excalibur sword, power stolen from Mordru, Time Trapper (later revealed to be fake and Controller pretending to be Time trapper), and a planet full of mystics along with other un-named artifacts.
Because of this, it's illogical that he would possess enough strength on his own to overcome Thanos, whose been shown to be capable of tangling with the likes of Odin and Galactus.