COIE Anti-Monitor vs. Ivory Kings

Originally posted by TheHulkster
I know exactly what I'm saying. You clearly don't.

"No you" isn't a response.

It's flat out stated. "Their essence".

Yes, "Their." Not "His". Its plural for illiterates like you.

Nope. Deodato drew them based on what they are stated to be in the book. "Physical manifestations". The notion of a single panel visualization of Owen's oracling taking precedence over the images of the following issue that actually tells the story of the encounter is absurd.

Haha, that's simply bullshit. But you are quite adapt in throwing meaningless shit with zero proof.

Plus, if you are going on art making it clear who someone is, then the Beyonders in the link you posted actually look noticeably different from the ones who fight LT.

No, they don't.

Plus, didn't you stated on the other board that dialogue takes precedence over art?

Yes, and its made clear that these are the same beyonders. Where is it that they are stated to be different?

Why people waste their energy answering to Abhi is beyond me...

Originally posted by abhilegend
Again. It's made clear that These were the same Beyonders who killed LT.

http://postimg.org/image/3q3k7qv4b/

The artist changed their forms in the next comic but they are literally the same Beyonders as shown here.

Originally posted by TheHulkster
Nope.

At the end of New Avengers #31 we see the Beyonders confronting Thor, Hyperion, Starbrand, etc. on the last chunk of land in the voidspace:

New Avengers #32 is an immediate continuation of the above -- the Beyonders are simply drawn differently:

Hell, the "previously in..." page of New Avengers #32 corroborates this as well:

So again: the Beyonders who killed the cosmic hierarchy are the EXACT SAME Beyonders who were ultimately killed by Ex Nihilo and Starbrand. Stupid as it may be, this is irrefutable fact.

^^ We will have to dismiss one or the other, cause this is truly senseless brother G.

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We can't blame the BeyonderS for forced PIS/CIS to make a story work on Hickman's part.

That Thor Hyperion scene is truly retarded. ONE Beyonder was stomping both Thor and Hyperion. ONE!

That slender Beyonder was taking its sweet time, Thor and Hyperion were a joke next to it.

The other boxy-shaped Beyonder jobbed imo with Abyss/Ex cause it just stood there waiting for the consequence.

Notice Thor and Hyperion were inevitably going to die here had it not been for the Starbrand explosion.

How the hell do these two (Thor/Hyperion) beat up,
and were about to die at the hands of ONE Beyonder, ... surviving pass "go" vs hundreds?"

If yall don't see the PIS/CIS here ... I don't know what to say.

Also ...

Those "physical forms" are just shells containing their essence.

Against the cosmics there wasn't any jobbing, just attacking.
While against the heroes, they're boasting during the fight, taking their time,
the boxed-shaped Beyonder did nothing to Ex/Nihilo, it just stood there waiting to get affected:

... 'no, no please, be my guest and warp the shit out of me while I stand here transfixed by your efforts' 😂

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And remember Owen needed to draw them out of the Beyond Realm before attacking. Interesting.

When they spoke from withIN the Beyond Realm, Hickman portrays them as God imo. The lettering and all.

I wonder.

Owen needing to draw them out is the smoking gun imo.

They did seem more ... majestic, when speaking from within the Beyond Realm, imo:

The BeyonderS have been around since 1980, grant it by statements only,
but by 1988, we got a small taste of an actual Beyonder (from the race) on panel, 25 years ago.

The 'High Evolutionary' once travelled to a distant part of 616
where the BeyonderS had a museum of Planets they played with,
and actually got a glimpse of one of the BeyonderS. (well, most of an arm anyway)

[img=http://s4d2.turboimagehost.com/t1/15290217_BeyonderS_awesome1.jpg]

It also states that the experience of witnessing this Beyonder's arm made him go insane!

It's the only depiction we eve saw, until Hickman's mind came into play.

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The High Evolutionary "witnesses a sight that renders him speechless"

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The H.E. is pretty powerful,
but more importantly is how much he knows
and how much he's seen in the Cosmos, ... and that's practically everything.

Anyway, he goes insane from realizing how grand the BeyonderS are, and immediately decides to kill himself: 😂

He can't kill himself, so he succeeds by having the Hulk bash him out of his armor:

[img=http://s4d2.turboimagehost.com/t1/15290220_BeyonderS_awesome4.jpg]

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In the end, his "god-like" techno-armor reforms him completely, and he regains his sanity.

The cool thing here is, the H.E. considers the BeyonderS the pinnacle of the Cosmos,
and uses them as a reference point to what Mankind has to surpass via evolution to rule the Cosmos.

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The H.E. isn't just a human mind btw. He's evolved far beyond humanity.

The H.E. only saw an arm of a Beyonder,
and it was enough to drive him insane to the point of killing himself.

I think the writer was trying to make a point here you feel me?

Especially how he points out that the H.E. seen all kinds of cosmic crazy
and taken it in stride ... until he sees this.

I also don't think it was just the,
seemingly lightyears spanning sized arm that drove him mad,
it was actually the realization of how far more grandiose the BeyonderS were next to him.

The only difference is when they exit their Realm, their forms are vulnerable to some degree.

But to what degree is the clashing question?

Why did 3 survive (and seemingly unscathed at the end) & killed Eternity/Infinity, all Celestials and LT?
To then be affected at all by less than motes in comparison to the cosmic hierarchy?
... haha, with absolutely no logical explanation for it by Hickman btw.

😐 ... We only have one option here imo, disregard the necessary PIS to move the story forward.

Because we all know after killing the LT, who came as the infinite Multiverse embodied,
Hickman caught himself in a corner with no sensible way to conclude this, ...
... out comes the writing made with a pen dipped in yellow nasty.

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We have to take the Beyonders' (as the race in the Beyond Realm)
historical data and mesh it as best as possible with Hickman's portrayals,
and try and make the best of it I guess.
Like I said, imo, Beyonders inside the Beyond Realm are in a different level than any who come out.

This is best expressed in Kubik and Kosmos' experience
when they travelled outside "all there is" .. they went "Beyond."

BeyonderS were the final stage, the highest order, the most vast, that Kubik and Kosmos came across:
(mind you, they passed by the LT who existed in all multiverses"

Kubik & Kosmos themselves transcended ...
... and Eternity (which represented everything in that story) "dwindled into insignificance" before them.

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Imo, even in Hickman's world this hasn't changed much I think. I said this before:

Owen needing to draw them out says it all imo.

Originally posted by Mr Master
^^ We will have to dismiss one or the other, cause this is truly senseless brother G.

For whatever reason Hickman gave them very high showings... And very low showings. As I mentioned in my first post: this makes it exceedingly difficult to figure out an 'average' for them, given that a specific reason was never given as to why their showings varied so...

Sucks, but it is what it is.

Also, thread specifically refers to Ivory Kings.
So only the Beyonders we have seen in Hickman's run, nothing more.

Cool.

Earth based heroes are Beyonder Kryptonite 👆

Spiderman could solo the Ivory Kings.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Cool.

Earth based heroes are Beyonder Kryptonite 👆

Spiderman could solo the Ivory Kings.

Batman wins with his Everyone-Repellent.

Originally posted by RealityWarper
Batman wins with his Everyone-Repellent.

Pretty much.

In any case, writer interviews are inadmissible here.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Cool.

Earth based heroes are Beyonder Kryptonite 👆

Spiderman could solo the Ivory Kings.

Also, Ex Nihilo isn't an earth-based hero, but he(and the Nihilii) still killed a Beyonder. 👆

Originally posted by Galan007
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Also, Ex Nihilo isn't an earth-based hero, but he(and the Nihilii) still killed a Beyonder. 👆

Crap, I obviously misread the writer interview.

Brevoort obv meant that characters with only one face are the Beyonders Kryptonite. Any more, and the reverse is true.

Relying on writer interviews is fun!!!

Yes, these are the facts... Accept them! vegetajv2

Also, it confirms the Ivory Kings are the same ones that fought the LT, and moreover, that they died.

Otherwise, if they were different or diminished in any way, Bwould have said so.

Good scan 👆

Originally posted by Galan007

Also, Ex Nihilo isn't an earth-based hero, but he(and the Nihilii) still killed a Beyonder.

That was the funniest Beyonder of all. It did nothing, absolutely nothing to defend or attack.

But it did enjoy just standing there, like a lump on a log, waiting to get warped. 😂

Originally posted by Mr Master
I only saw them warp that Beyonder's shell into a tree.

That was the funniest Beyonder of all. It did nothing, absolutely nothing to defend or attack.

But it did enjoy just standing there, like a lump on a log, waiting to get warped. 😂

What I find hilarious is that planetary level explosion took out a Beyonder. Imagine if he detonated when the hundreds of Beyonders were pouring out the portal. He could have massacred dozens or more of them! 😆